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Public Forums => Banter and Chit-Chat! => Topic started by: nameless on December 09, 2014, 02:14:49 PM
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I'm using windows 7 64 bit. Today I allowed windows to update. All of a sudden, I couldn't connect to the internet because a message said I had limited access??? Uninstalled todays updates, rebooted, now everything is just fine. I don't think I'll accept any more updates, ever, except for anti virus updates.
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Until it stops working because the update you're running is no longer supported. Love Windows lol
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Sounds like it may have updated your NIC driver, firewall or something to do with the TCP/IP stack. Did you even try to reboot after the update? In most cases that will get you back online.
As to not running the updates, that is a very bad idea. Many of the updates are to address security holes or stability issues. It is just asking for trouble.
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Rebooted, etc. A time or two, something changed internet security options "Download files" and "Download Fonts" to disabled. The Dec. 9, 2014 updates are quite possibly bad files from the source. After I uninstall the updates for that date, everything is back to normal.
So I'm wondering if that is a ms agenda to force sales of W8. Nah, probably not.
Anyone know, who actually tried, if Arx Libertatis/Fatalis does ok on windows 8?
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no retro games like win 8 and soon win 8 will be the only MS supported OS
saying you wont install updates other than antivirus = bad
1. the av that is called WINDOWS DEFENDER, is crap, its pointless and does nothing.. updating it is fine, but you miss the critical patches to block hijacks and such
2. there was a recent update that blocked hijacks from all networks, phones, pcs networks, cable, forums
steam, skype etc.. all hijacked due to an exploit in win7 AND 8
so 8 isnt better security wise, in fact its worse,
win 8 blows, but yes very soon win7 will not be a supported os
as for the update issues, I can tell you this happens often and its NOT microsoft, its your pc, and how the updates are stored, there are ways to delete not just the updates but the failed or predled files that will help more than uninstalling every damned update (you NEED THOSE)
NEVER install OPTIONAL UPDATES this is KEY
also if you have a firewall, like norton or a router/firewall DISABLE MS FIREWALL, even MS says that
also what is ur page file set to
hiberfile set to
i set mine to almost nothing and no hibernation
this saves loads of mem and hd space and helps with updates also
hit me up
this helps my mind, but please trust me?
win9 whatever it will end up being named will be ZERO backwards compatible, win 8 is barely win 7 has some xp in it, win 8 doesnt not vs 7 and 9 will have NO support for this as dx11-12 will be required only no support for 9 of 10 or older vers of dx..
PERIOD
that means no old games without VMWARE or virtual machines
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That is only for the free Win 7 extended support, meaning that no more feature updates. Critical updates will continue till 2020 and the extended support will still be available via paid subscription.
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Windows 10 will be out in the next couple of years which by all accounts is very nice. No idea how backwards compatible it'll be but meh, someone always comes up with a workaround.
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as for the compat and updates vs support yes, thats what I meant
as for win next gen will have no backwards DX compat from what Ive read though that could change
as of now no old games will work on it though, none, just emulation in VMWARES
sad but true, its forcing all to get new new cards, if they dont have them already, and that change will mess up so much, trust me on that. (at least in terms of playing old games)
they are going the way of the console on us pc users, zero backwards compat.
sick.. sad.. etc
:(
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The "zero backwards compatibility" issue to me is really a non-issue. Older programs were not made to run on new hardware. I don't think new operating systems that are designed to optimize the newest hardware should have to bend over to make it so older programs work. I know it is really nice when that does all pan out, but it shouldn't be the responsibility of Microsoft or whoever to do it. As for consoles, if a gamer wants to play their XBOX 360 games, they should keep their old console. There is nothing wrong with that. I don't expect my NES games to play on my SNES, or gamecube, etc. When Nintendo made the Wii backwards compatible with the gamecube, it was more because the gamecube was a flop and they wanted to be able to sell existing gamecube software. It made gamers realize that hey this can actually be possible. Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean that it should be done. I see it this way, if I want to be able to play my old games, I should keep an old computer (or console) for that purpose.
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Sony did it first with the PS2, it was backwards compatible to PS1 games.
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The "zero backwards compatibility" issue to me is really a non-issue. Older programs were not made to run on new hardware. I don't think new operating systems that are designed to optimize the newest hardware should have to bend over to make it so older programs work. I know it is really nice when that does all pan out, but it shouldn't be the responsibility of Microsoft or whoever to do it. As for consoles, if a gamer wants to play their XBOX 360 games, they should keep their old console. There is nothing wrong with that. I don't expect my NES games to play on my SNES, or gamecube, etc. When Nintendo made the Wii backwards compatible with the gamecube, it was more because the gamecube was a flop and they wanted to be able to sell existing gamecube software. It made gamers realize that hey this can actually be possible. Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean that it should be done. I see it this way, if I want to be able to play my old games, I should keep an old computer (or console) for that purpose.
A cant agree at all mate
backwards compat is needed, most old consoles break and cost so much more than they are worth to fix,
yes I can fix most consoles old wise, but some no,
and no ps2 wasnt the first thing to do backwards compat but close, lol
urm, then there is like the WII I own with GC ports and mem slots when the rest of the WII has no GC anything,
ps3 series 001 and 002 play 50-70% of games, and here is the point, some games were to powerful to run on ps2, and ps3 is needed to play those old games
and how can you dis, backwards compat in pc terms are you saying to keep each old PC and cards and os's thats .. kinda nuts man.. I mean most of those parts are broken by now, and replacing them costs more than that is worth hence torrents and emulation
xbox has NEVER done backwards compat to my knowledge, or minor if any
one odd ver of snes in russia played SEGA master and NES games.. these are needed imo sorry
the only REASON that console arent backwards compatible is due to compaines trying to lure us back in to RE BUYING the games we already own, and trust me mate thats NOT ok..
again im a collector, so most of my ps2 games are sealed and such, but i have thousands of games and my ps2's well ive fixed them so many times they just dont read, so i am forced to emulate on pc and NOW thats going to go away soon.. no no
sorry I really 100% disagree, the only reason sony got rid of backwards compat in the beginning was for cost reduction, due to the high blue ray pointless cost, they just shoulda made one with no blue ray called OLE SCHOOL ver,
anyway, lets not confuse backwards consoles to pc, thats why pcs are different, and now with new os we cant run anything, trust that.. oh so yea im sooo sure the masses know how to run VMWARES or dual boot.. nope..
so they force ya to rebuy digitall the games you own.. no no.. this isnt ok :(
and GC wasnt a total flop mate, where did you get that, i love my GC more than xbox 1 or really any xbox, more games on it minus the xbox one now which is putting out decent games (but ill never buy into new consoles ever again not after all the bs they are doing)
shrug
I cant change your view, but old things need not die, and most never come back we NEED the option to play the old games we OWN.
period.
:) love you still tho chucklas
btw I got the ripper and that doesnt work so well, but it was from the site bt mentioned they let me dl it premium after a post about it to the dj guy.
anyway, I cant think of the game on ps2 that didnt run well, you had a sword (wanna say shadows of colossus. it just CHUGGED and on my ps3 it ran RIGHT AS RAIN and clean, period, no emulator would run it well, and to say oh lets wait for ps4 and rebuy all the ps1 2 and 3 games is just sick to me.
im not down with this digital era at all,
i want to hold what I buy and smell it like a new vinyl record, or should i just get the ITUNES vs my vinyl with the same paradigm of backwards compat not needing to exist (then all record players should be dumped on that logic etc)
love you all, trying to cope and sorry if this post seemed harsh
im a bit, out of it and on top of things SICK again ahh
I get sick like 5 times in 2 months. grr
stress sucks
HUGS
:'(
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Sony did it first with the PS2, it was backwards compatible to PS1 games.
Fair enough.
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My point about PC and backwards compatibility is that as the hardware changes, the software has to change as well. That is why we get new operating systems. It just doesn't look like video games because there aren't official releases for the next generation PC. That doesn't change the fact that certain older programs just wont work with new hardware. It isn't Microsoft's fault that this is the case. So what ends up happening is that emulation is necessary to get older software to run. This is true with video game systems as well. The consoles that provide backwards compatibility (xbox 360 does in fact play xbox games as well) do it through emulating the older consoles. That is why they do not work perfectly with all games. I just don't see why they should have to do this. No one complained when SNES came out and you couldn't play the NES games on it. Consumers tend to demand too much when it isn't profitable for a company. If it costs too much to develop a feature, and the feature isn't considered profitable, then I see no reason why they should include it. Now, the argument can be made that more people will buy a new console/OS if it has the features that they want, etc. But the question becomes, how many people are not willing to upgrade due to the lack of that specific feature. Then business decisions get made. Plain and simple. I am not saying that backwards compatibility is bad, in fact I wish my xbox one would play my 360 and original xbox games. I would love it if it did. But I cannot demand they provide that feature. I can request it and hope it happens (then have hinted it is currently being worked on). But I also know that if I want technology and games, etc to continue to advance, the businesses behind them must remain profitable.
Btw, the gamecube only sold about 20 million units. As a whole, that is a flop for its generation on consoles.
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I'm still waiting for the punch-card port of QFI. >:(
Or at least the schematics so I can arrange my vacuum tube connections correctly...
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haha punch cards
and yea chuklas to that degree im with ya, on the pc, and the sales for GC though I love GC games more than the damned wii
and even the WII U was sold originally as promising to have wii game compatibility and did for a few versions and special editions like the zelda one I own,
but yea, my point is that there should be something in all pcs and consoles that at least have legacy stuff
again the ps2 and ps3 DID, until ps3 removed to try to lower costs and it worked, selling double the xbox one units (though that will change come xmas)
and i was one of those people that demanded they make nes to play on snes (and in russia they did have a system kinda like the one im linking below that played ALL cartridge systems.
The one im linking is new but the other originally in russia was OLD and the only ver they had at the time didnt play GB stuff but did play SEGA and NES SNES..
but again with ps1 and 2 most rpgs had cross over saves, which both consoles were NEEDED to do that..
anyway I do agree with your last post though, its not something to demand its just my wish and hope they would allow legacy and keeping old games alive, there is a huge market in it in this era now. So IT IS profitable!
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/16fc/?itm=customlabel0Electronics_%26_Gadgets_|_Console_%26_Portable_Gaming&rkgid=1453727955&cpg=ogplahe1&source=google_home_electronics&adpos=1o1&creative=50718230445&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CJTjxZrY0sICFUGUfgodRVsAKA (http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/16fc/?itm=customlabel0Electronics_%26_Gadgets_|_Console_%26_Portable_Gaming&rkgid=1453727955&cpg=ogplahe1&source=google_home_electronics&adpos=1o1&creative=50718230445&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CJTjxZrY0sICFUGUfgodRVsAKA)
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Actually, the PS3 plays PS1 games too.
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I don't think companies should bend over backwards to make new operating systems backwards compatible.
It would however be nice if they made legacy operating systems public domain (and 'use at your own risk'). Like Windows 3.11, Windows 95, and maybe even Windows XP at this point. Offer free downloads of them through a 'virtual pc' setup, that runs within the modern machines. Or even offer it at a small 'licencing fee'. Maybe allow it to be packaged into old games that companies would like to sell again. Journeyman Project 1 for example requires a file that's only compatible with Windows 3.11 to perhaps Windows XP, no one has found a work around to make that file work standalone to be used in modern systems (msvideo.dll).
I understand Mac released some of their oldest operating system versions for free, including any needed roms, etc?
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Actually, the PS3 plays PS1 games too.
Yes, and no.
If you have first generation you can play most PS1 games IIRC? From the original disks.
With later versions you are limited to what gets released via the PS Network. BTW Suikoden II was released a couple of weeks ago! So glad I didn't have to pay a mint to finally play that game!
Of course PS2 has all but been stripped from later PS3s, and very few companies releasing updated versions on PSN. Sony won't sell the digital emulator which has 80% compatibility rate on the latest models (which was a packed in to the second generation models). However, apparently people who have jail broken their PS3s say that the emulator works very well with the latest PS3s, and is good for most of the well known games. Again its probably a marketing thing, Sony probably thinks they can make money by selling the games digitally, or in enhanced 'remakes'.
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and even the WII U was sold originally as promising to have wii game compatibility and did for a few versions and special editions like the zelda one I own,
but yea, my point is that there should be something in all pcs and consoles that at least have legacy stuff
again the ps2 and ps3 DID, until ps3 removed to try to lower costs and it worked, selling double the xbox one units (though that will change come xmas)
As far as I know I know doesn't most of the Wii-u still have backwards compatibility? I know I bought one recently, one of the black "Deluxe" 32gb editions (that came with New Super Mario Bros Wii), has Wii compatibility.
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no sir
as of a a year after launch only SPECIAL models have WII backwards compat
dont believe me? call a game store and ask about them
the last one made was the zelda limited edition one, just recently and it was the last in the line for ever playing wii games..
they want us to buy the wii games over the network on the wii u its total bs
sorry true though
and also, nintendo has claimed the wii u a bigger flop than the gamecube and wii..
already abandoning it..
shrug
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There must be lots of those Deluxe Wii-U with New Super Mario BRos then, because I just got one about 4 months ago, and one for my sister a couple of months ago. It I can assure this version is Wii compatible, as I've been playing my backlog of Wii games last few months.
One through Amazon, and the other from Wallmart. About $300 each.
http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Wii-Deluxe-Set-Super-U/dp/B00G0OYHCW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1419188736&sr=8-7&keywords=new+super+mario+wii-u (http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Wii-Deluxe-Set-Super-U/dp/B00G0OYHCW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1419188736&sr=8-7&keywords=new+super+mario+wii-u)
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http://www.amazon.com/Wii-Exclusive-Nintendoland-Deluxe-Nintendo-U/dp/B00NKS059K/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1419188979&sr=8-5&keywords=smash+brothers+bundle (http://www.amazon.com/Wii-Exclusive-Nintendoland-Deluxe-Nintendo-U/dp/B00NKS059K/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1419188979&sr=8-5&keywords=smash+brothers+bundle)
Then there is the Mario Kart 8 bundle. It's also backwards compatible. It came out this year in May.
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As for the next system don't know when they plan on releasing it. But several games this year were huge successes, and actually coincided with people buying the system to play it... In particular the new Super Smah Bros.
OF course the really big game everyone is waiting for is the new Zelda game which doesn't come out until next Christmas.
http://wiiudaily.com/2014/11/nintendo-wii-u-bouncing-back/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2014/11/nintendo-wii-u-bouncing-back/)
It's not nearly the 'money hole' it looked to be, and they are starting to go 'positive' as far as making money on the products. I only bought one recently because of Mario Kart 8 and a few other upcoming games. There wasn't anything on it up tell now that I was even remotely interested in.
Actually at this point trying to release yet a new system, when there isn't so much of a market for it, would probably be the worst choice on their end. Who wants to spend another $300-500 dollars in such a short period of time, when there are other great consoles out there for competition?. I finally just got around to getting a PS3 to go back over some games from the last generation I missed. I don't plan on going to nextgen for a while (I do have PC which can handle most nextgen games), and will only buy PS4 later for the exclusives.
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Also all the Wii U websites in US and UK are still advertising the Wii-U as having the Wii backwards compatibility mode.
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Wii-U/Hardware-Features/Backwards-compatibility/Backwards-compatibility-736682.html (https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Wii-U/Hardware-Features/Backwards-compatibility/Backwards-compatibility-736682.html)
http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/features/ (http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/features/)
I can't find any information concerning any models that don't have this software based emulator.
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My Wii-U (it was a day one black 32GB model) is backwards compatible.
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the first few models are wii compatible,
then there are the deluxe and special versions , after that no standard wii u is backward compatible
call a gamestore or just trust me :)
its ok if yas dont believe me, im REALLY used to that, just call a game store and say hey are there wii u models that dont play wii games now? what up? they will tell ya, i just had to make sure the ver i got DID play em, as 2 models they had didnt only the zelda wii u did
last i looked the zelda wicked awesome wii u limited ed played it but im sure other deluxe or special vers play em too, just trying to point out they are ceasing, period..
and yea as for the ps3 or whatever, no only the first 2 models and a few rare ones play ps1 and p2 games rare
even those only play about 80% of the ps2 and ps1 games too..
not 100% there is a graph somewhere that says the issues with which games
but thats just 2 models and then a few here and there, then poof gone to reduce cost, which worked.. but imo taking blue ray out to me woulda been fine, and 150$ cheaper at the time,
blue ray haha
a joke that is, i mean its like saying we still use floppies, and where did HD audio cds go? gone.. vinyl is back and again all pcs and consoles SHOULD be retro/legacy compatible, thats just how id do it.
or , buy all ips and revamp but the 1st way is much more simple..
emulate, on the consoles, simple!
same with pcs emulate like hardware as most games DO that are old and working,
dont erase old dx9 pre and d3d etc install midi legacy stuff, all sorts of junk oh and load my mouse into himem i only have 512kb ram! haha loadhigh lh=mouse himem.sys plss lol oh the days when 1MB of ram was 52$ usd haha
ahem
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I'd have more trust to Nintendo's advertising and announcements than 'rumor mills' from game store owners. It would be false advertising to claim wii compatibility in their advertising which they still do. If they have actually stripped it.
Sony was very up front about the fact that later models stopped having compatibility, and which models stopped having them.
Also Nintendo is still selling wii compatible peripherals due to the fact that many Wii-U games take advantage of them as well.
However, I do know last generation Wiis removed gamecube compatibility. So at some point they might remove Wii compatibility out of these systems as well. But they will probably be clear when they actually unroll the process. But all systems I see out right now the boxes advertise the compatibility as 'a feature'. If its not actually there then it would false advertising.
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I've got the last generation PS3 (I bought it literally a month before the PS4 came out, old one died to a child) and it still plays my PS1 games (the first three Crash Bandicoots, and first Tekken game). I don't know if that means it's backwards compatible or not for everything but I don't plan on buying more PS1 games so I don't care.
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klytos you are mixing up the ps2 emulator for the ps1
as far as i know all ps3's play ps1 games, just not ps2 games, dare ya to stick a ps2 game in
again I can point out a graph of which models play what, but I would think trust shouldnt be an issue
"This list is updated as new PS3 firmware editions are released by Sony. The 40GB, 80GB re-release, 160GB, and the slim version of the PS3 are not officially backwards compatible with PS2 games because all hardware chips from the former console are omitted and there is no software emulation; however, a chipped method is available. This not only voids the users warranty of the system but also decreases the life of the system as the chip is known to overheat various system components. However, all versions of the PS3 are able to play PS1 games."
we are talking ps2 mate, only 2 models play ps2 games, and thats nottta cool, why play ps1 but not ps2? shrug, got meeeeeeeee
oh right needed to cut 50$ out of the price,, shrug, now the consoles are worth 22$ if sold to gamestop, not a joke, its kinda sick, ps3 for 22 bucks no thanks ill keep my doorstop
lol
anyway yea sorry i didnt mean to say it didnt play ps1 games just it didnt play ps2 games, hence playing ps1 games is pointless since 90% of the jrpgs had crossover games which needs ps1 and ps2
ahh the days
oh I was wrong 3 models play ps2 games
lol
https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/232 (https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/232)
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I'd have more trust to Nintendo's advertising and announcements than 'rumor mills' from game store owners. It would be false advertising to claim wii compatibility in their advertising which they still do. If they have actually stripped it.
Sony was very up front about the fact that later models stopped having compatibility, and which models stopped having them.
Also Nintendo is still selling wii compatible peripherals due to the fact that many Wii-U games take advantage of them as well.
However, I do know last generation Wiis removed gamecube compatibility. So at some point they might remove Wii compatibility out of these systems as well. But they will probably be clear when they actually unroll the process. But all systems I see out right now the boxes advertise the compatibility as 'a feature'. If its not actually there then it would false advertising.
urmm again, wii u's already are cutting out the wii games,
periodo,
I was lucky to get a rare wii also, not that its a great console but it had its fun, mine has the 4 ports on top and a n64 pack bundle thing that plugs into it, so you can play n64 games by pluggin in another part to it, its quite awesome. or was, lol wii stopped working and i stopped making the special screwdrivers out of bic pens and lighters (its how i fix all nintendo products !) cheaper than the tools :)
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http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Wii-Console-8GB-Basic-U/dp/B0050SVHZO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1419210687&sr=8-7&keywords=wii-u (http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Wii-Console-8GB-Basic-U/dp/B0050SVHZO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1419210687&sr=8-7&keywords=wii-u)
Wii basic (white standard model) is also advertised with Wii backwards compatibility for wii games and wii accessories.
What you don't get however is the sensor bar (that comes with the Deluxe) that is needed for the Wii mote/plus compatibility. That's one way they were able keep the cost down in that model along with the lower internal memory.
Also I'm not sure but Wii Channel backwards compatibility might come with the mandatory system update that you are forced to install the moment you setup the new console. Rather than being 'built in directly'. All I know is that it took a long time to install the system update when I got mine a few months ago.
BTW, I'm not claiming they won't cut out Wii support, it just hasn't happened in any current released models as of yet. The various packs that are still out there still have the support. Including the basic models, and the no game deluxe version, as well as the current bundle sets.
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BTW mine was not a 'rare edition' There was no special edition aspect to it. It's actually the standard bundle release now (started earlier this year). They replaced the standard Nintendo Land pack in with New Super Mario Bros instead. So its basically the standard 'deluxe' model. There is also a basic model white version that comes with New Super Mario Bros, that's one of the non-special editions. It just replaced Mario for the older Nintendo Land pack in. It's also Wii U compatible, but you have to buy the sensor bar to use the Wii Mote compatibility.
The current "special editions" are the Mario Kart 8 with the Wii Mote/Racing Wheel, and the upcoming Smash Brothers that comes with the Gamecube Controller add on. There is also the Skylanders edition, which is the basic model white, IIRC but also a special edition version.
What they do in 2015 I have no idea... It's possible that those models will remove the Wii U support. Although the full details haven't been announced yet, or the release dates.
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When it happens it will probably be in the Wii-U redesign. If past patterns are followed. The system that doesn't look like its earlier version, and is often 'smaller' and 'sleeker'.
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http://attackofthefanboy.com/articles/wii-u-gift-guide-2014/ (http://attackofthefanboy.com/articles/wii-u-gift-guide-2014/)
It looks like ther newest standard models are coming out with Super Mario Bros 3D World (replacing the previous New Super Mario Bros Wii-U). It's also still the backwards compatible model.
urmm again, wii u's already are cutting out the wii games,
periodo,
, mine has the 4 ports on top and a n64 pack bundle thing that plugs into it, so you can play n64 games by pluggin in another part to it, its quite awesome. or was, lol wii stopped working and i stopped making the special screwdrivers out of bic pens and lighters (its how i fix all nintendo products !) cheaper than the tools :)
I think you are mixing up the old Wii with the Wii-U... The Wii-U only has 2 USB slots (on the front), the plug for the sensor bar in the back. It never had four ports on 'top'. The four ports on top is indication of the Gamecube backwards compatibility on the earliest Wii models. Wii-U was never designed for Gamecube compatibility except in potential Virtual Console downloads.
Almost everything in Wii-U including its Wii-U games (not counting the old Wii-U compatiblity) are designed to utilize the old Wii Motes Pluses, the wii classic controllers, the exercise pad or the new generation of classic controllers, or that new touch pad controller. However, not all Wii-U branded peripherals are compatible with the Wii Channel (the emulator) itself. But Wii-U only uses the Bluetooth wireless stuff (designed for Wii and Wii-U), and a few USB peripherals.
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Yes, and no.
If you have first generation you can play most PS1 games IIRC? From the original disks.
klytos you are mixing up the ps2 emulator for the ps1
as far as i know all ps3's play ps1 games, just not ps2 games, dare ya to stick a ps2 game in
I know it's not PS2 compatible, I'm saying the PS3 will play PS1 games. I can simply put a PS1 disc in my PS3 and it works.
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It's software compatibility (the same tech being used with the PSP and VIta emulators, or similar)? For the purpose of being able to also sell the games digitally, as they now do on PSN? But it also works with the disk drive too? Cool.
I understand there is no reason why they can't do software with PS2 either. Apparently they did have a software emulation in one of the PS3 models for a short time. Guess they are hoping to allow companies to sell PS2 games separately digitally and make more money that way... But I'm sure people would be willing to buy PS2 emulator as an add on if given the option...
Then again there are people who really don't care about backwards and only want to go forward. They are the lowest common denominator, and make the most money for Sony.
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In defense of those people, why play GTA3 when you can play GTA5.
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the answer is simple
because we might want to?
again same reason old games are even around, why play qfi when there are more advanced tech non ags point n click? because we like it
one day ags wont run on windows, then what, shrug
simple answer is though because we want to, though gta is not a good example thats not even meant for ps3 and i dont like the series, they dont run well on pc if at all.
but again JRPG's which you seem to not know about, are the bestest, on ps1 and ps2.. and 3.. sorta 4.. but why would someone want to play ANY old game,
because we have the want .. to do so.
you dont, thats cool, but know this, many do want to.
:)
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Hah! You young whipper-snappers!
I know it falls more into the "cross-platform converters" rather than "backwards compatibility", but I can recall when it was a big deal that you could play your Atari 2600 games on the Intellivision and Colecovision!
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Goatmeal FTW.
Bt
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I think it depends on the type of game. If its a series like say Suikoden. Or Quest For Glory. I'd like to be able to play the series in order. There are stories to follow.
If its a racing game that comes out every single year, probably be fine with the latest version. Unless there is some map that is missing from future games, that I just have to drive around again, because it was 'fun'. Mario Kart games are that way. I often find myself going back to earlier ones.
Rereleasing the series to other systems via emulation/recoding is a viable option. I'm happy to see the Final Fantasy games slowly get released on PC for example. I would be especially happy if they released the earliest games in the series as well. Although with that series, there is no reason to play in order, and each game is great simply for the stand alone stories.
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Why do I like to watch old movies? Because I like to, sometime the classics are the best! No one has found a way to top them!
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GTA isn't meant for the PS3? Huh? I'd be happy to take a photo of the GTAV box for my PS3 and post it.
How do you know I don't like JRPG's? Don't assume because I don't talk about them I don't know anything. I've never mentioned them here whatsoever. Ever. Not once. I've played JRPG's since my SNES still had it's cardboard box. Earthbound is the best of the genre, and I really loved Suikoden, Ni no Kuni, Chrono Trigger, plus the final fantasy games.
I agree Baggins, it's probably more about the actual game you want to replay more than anything else. I used GTA as an example because there's nothing in the earlier games that you can't get from playing a later one. I think something like the Need for Speed series would be the same. But a series like Final Fantasy, yeah I can understand playing that again from the start.
What I take exception to is calling people who enjoy games like GTA the lowest common denominator. Just because it's enjoyed by the mass market doesn't mean they're the stupidest of all game players. If more people are going to by the latest GTA than the latest King's Quest - and I'd put money on that - that's what production companies are going to make. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's bad.
As for AGS not being Windows compatible one day, sure. It could happen. But it's an active engine constantly being upgraded and once it's not we'll move to something else. And you know, I have the source code for QFI so it's not the biggest of challenges to make it compatible as technology moves along. I've done it to our KQ3 remake a couple of times.
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ahh klytos
for god sake just understand what i meant,
gta5 IS out for that console i never suggested it was not,
im with goatmeal too, but again people want what they want, and most who i know on and offline minus .. you and a few others.
Dont want or care about backwards compat.
Again I did presume to state you didnt know about jrpgs because no one with that knowledge should ever go .. why play part 1 when you have part 6-7 now
mana khemia comes to mind also, persona's etc
but man lay the off me please this is not to hard
I have had a loss and you are suggesting that im so stupid That I would need a screenshot to think a game is out for a console when I just stated its a new game that was slated for most modern consoles, yes its out i fucking OWN it.. on ps3.. ffs.
ahhh
man really? get off my nuts on this, im sick, trying hard to get my mind off things, and you instead of saying, well hey some people want what they want....
you say... why want to EVER play the old stuff when there is new
again to that sir I say, because we want to... and because they arent the same games
gta is a terrible example but, for that one vice city is still my fav and id play that over gta5 any day..
ahhh man please lay off and understand some people love old games or you guys wouldnt have a job with QFI here, no one would want this..
sigh
take care I WONT be belittled like this by you klytos I know you are a good guy but you seem to miss my valid points.. when yours are your valid points but come time to stand yours holds no water
why play kq3 when you can play 8 ? etc why ulitma 6 when u have 9
ahh I can go on and on.. answer is.. again, because we want to and because they arent the same game!
crying man, you a top dog here are posting like a child asking to prove screen shots when even i own gta5 and you just arent reading into my posts properly
thanks for taking it down one notch and just understanding some want it , some dont, but if even some do... that should be good enough for you to understand period.
also I miss my intellivision.
anyway im dropping out again, I cant take fighting with good friends over pathetic views and paradigms.
I know im right, and that you also are too klytos, but how you are going about it.. is kinda poking a beehive with a stick and running into some water .. qfi ref there..
take care all.. and klytos i love ya man but wow.. come on really..?
sigh :'(
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/me hugs kyltos and just cries
Im sorry mate just not a good time to be nit picking my posts or beliefs never is just
understand or dont, people want old games to be played, some are like you and dont but,
hug..
pls stop this posting its not the first time you have smashed down the wrath :(
I love you all mates. all
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"What I take exception to is calling people who enjoy games like GTA the lowest common denominator. Just because it's enjoyed by the mass market doesn't mean they're the stupidest of all game players. If more people are going to by the latest GTA than the latest King's Quest - and I'd put money on that - that's what production companies are going to make. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's bad."
Well I wouldn't say 'lowest common denominator's are stupid, in this sense. I mean more along the lines that 'casual games' and sports games tend to sale more than a thought provoking story driven game. Those usually end up as 'sleeper hits'. A company is going to target audiences based on what sells more. That makes sense financially. It doesn't make sense for a company to release games that won't sell, and will lose money. Casual games have mass market appeal because even old folks can get into them and the very young. So it allows for more diverse audience.
What is the common theme that most people will 'agree' with and enjoy.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LowestCommonDenominator (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LowestCommonDenominator) (it can be thought of positively or negatively)
TO be fair I'm rather glad there are only a handful of really good 'story' and 'cerebral' (puzzle and portal style games, not counting the hundreds of casual puzzle games) based games a year, and not thousands, or I'd never get around to playing them all! Barely have time to play through what is released already. This is in part why I'm glad for the backwards compatibility scene or the emulation scene to give me a chance to catch up with games I may have missed the first time around due to time and money.
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id like to modify my assult post against ya klytos
I really do love you all here
its prolly why it effects me so much when getting bashed
just know this
I love ya all
bad views or not.
Also note that some people want to play morrowind not skyrim, etc,
some want to play gta 3 not 5
some want to play wingcommander 3 not privateer
etc
your belief is yours, and its shocking to me but I cant take it from you!
nor do I want to,.. its wrong in every way, esp from a person who helped make an older genre game even if it IS new, you have a very strange view
you might want to not make more games that are old since we have halo 90 coming out etc and kids would rather play that than any point and click so why bother ?
Also id hate to ask what you think of the snes rpg maker system since that is just a backwards compat way to make new snes games, and play them now
Im sorry man, and again If you read my post I didnt say gta5 was not out for ps3, i said it wasnt MEANT for it.. as in the system, vs the modern consoles and even pc once we finally get it on pc if.. we ever do.
still waiting for uncharted's to come to pc but shrug
i love you man, really I do.
sigh
sorry mate :(
just know we both are right and both are wrong thats the beauty of opinion.
just odd hearing from one of the makers of this QFI that older games arent needed as the new ones pop out.
and again I did say I assume, or presume to think you dont know much about jrpgs not that you dont...
sorry for that assumption
the short short version?
"do you? yes
do you? yes
good your married "
spaceballs the movie- quote
♥♥♥♥♥kal
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Yeah I agree Baggins, I think the same can be said with movies too, the loud shoot-em-up / superhero / limited story lots of SFX tend to sell better than a deep thought provoking movie.
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hey we all agree on that I think,
I dont get it either about how the shootem up sfx movies with no soul gets best reviews but again this goes with saying why play gta 3 when you have gta 5
idk
I prefer the lower budget festival PI style movies over hd 3d captain america any day..
uzuuuumaakii
still love ya mate,
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Well I still don't understand why so many Star Trek fans loved the Star Trek reboot, when it was replaced with shiny shoot-em-up, and lost a lot of its soul, or thought provoking character that the series was known for.
If I wanted action I went for Star Wars, if I want more for the story Trek was my series of choice.
Merging the two just didn't feel right to me... I'm not a 'trekkie' or a 'trekker'... I just happen to enjoy the various old trek tv series and movies.
Oddly I kinda liked the second Trek reboot movie better than the first (although personally I didn't think it was better than the best of the older series stuff), it at least tried to return to the roots of some thought proving ideas and less action. But it was critically panned by viewers including most old star trek fans...
Old star trek fans sure have become critical of the older series even, and want more of the Trek Wars with the shinies and the pew pew :P.... I guess I'm just old fashioned, and just don't understand.
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i like the star trek fansodes
funded by KS and well yea
has grant from mythbusters as sulu etc
some of the original ST cast!
fun stuff
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Ya I think I saw some of those fan shows. They got a few of the old cast to reprise roles, like Walter Koenig, or some of the original trek writers to do some of the plots for the show? There very good accurate version of the enterprise's bridge that it was actually used in an episode of Voyager, and DS9 IIRC?
Actually I felt it did a great job of getting to the feel of the series, and the pathos of the characters, and thought provoking ideas that the series is known for. With just the right combination of action to story.
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At the end of the day, I go back to my original post in this thread. For those who want to go back and replay old games, if you hang on to old hardware, you can do it no problem. Yes, as things get older they may stop working, etc. There isn't ENOUGH support of older titles (yes, there are some people, albeit a small percentage) to force the hand of companies to provide backwards compatibility. For that small percentage, if your hardware breaks, it really isn't that expensive to pick up an old console. You can get almost ANY old game system for a fraction of the price of what it would have been when it came out. I really don't see what the fuss is all about to be honest. I have NEVER had any system break at any point in my life. The NES I had is the only one that had an issue, but I was able to swap out the pin connector for less than $10 and it works as good as new. If you want to play an old game, use the old hardware. Most people play old titles for nostalgia, and it makes the experience more authentic as well.
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I really wish that view worked chucklas
but it doesnt
most old hardware fails fast, hence old hardware
would be much simpler to add chips with added emulation or support for older stuff than to say we must keep pc's from 1995-2000 and make sure that nothing fails
same with consoles
i wish it would work but, as a tech, no. it doesnt, and buying old parts costs loads more than most think,
and they just fail again n again.
bottom line though is with VMWARE u can do most anything,
just a nice virtual machine app, why cant this be inside the os for consoles and windows? get my drift?
shrug
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Hanging on to hardware is one way of doing things... If you have the room, and want to remain in your place of living for the rest of your life. I'd rather have a future where everything is digital, and only need a few small devices, so that I can travel a lot. and not be stuck in one place.
Hanging on to hardware won't save deteriorating media, or make deteriorating media work.
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Kaldire's right. Once something fails, finding someone to repair its is expensive. Trying to recollect something other collectors are after, only makes it even more expensive.
Sukoden 2 for example released a few weeks ago digitally has been sought by collectors for years. Used copies were going for $200-500s a piece. So the fact that it now can be bought digitally and works in the built in PS3 or vita emulators is a plus!
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Fair enough on the old hardware point. I agree that digital is a better route to go for long term preservation. I just don't think there is enough interest to force the hand of big companies to do it for us. It takes those who are interested in finding ways to make it work. To put the demand on Microsoft or Sony or whomever isn't the solution either.
As for the expensive titles, those are few and far between. I am referring to the hardware which there tends to be thousands of machines laying around gathering dust. Most still work and are inexpensive.
Why do I like to watch old movies? Because I like to, sometime the classics are the best! No one has found a way to top them!
Just to connect the old movies to the issue of backwards compatibility, when DVDs came out, they couldn't play VHS tapes. People either kept their old stuff or moved on. They even made machines that would take both. There was no "backwards compatibility." Now, to be fair, Blu-Ray players can play DVDs, but will this always be the case? Or will some other upgrade render old DVDs obsolete?
Or, better yet, if they can improve the quality of a movie by releasing it on Blu-Ray, then why would you want to watch the inferior version of the same movie? This can open the conversation into re-releases of media such as movies, games, etc. For example, I am looking forward to the new Grim Fandango, but it is the SAME game. Should I move on and enjoy the newer version or just play the old version that I have? I gladly purchased the Halo Masterchief collection. One of the reasons was the remastered version of Halo 2. It is fantastic. Would I ever go back and play Halo 2 on my first gen xbox? Not a chance.
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DVD and VHS, well it was easy enough to get a device and back up VHS to dvds. At some point we did that in our house once the technology as cheap and feasible. The VHS also had the problem of deteriorating, and wearing out as well. So even trying to keep it around is a challenge.
DVDs can suffer rot, but they are much easier to protect in many ways. Thankfully even movies are going digital now too!
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More to my point though is that the hardware of the time of VHS could not display the quality we have today with Blu-Ray. So, would you rather have the old version, copied from VHS, that is an inferior quality to begin with, or would you rather have the optimized version of a movie that has been released at a higher quality because the technology is now available?
**FYI, I am not expressing any view here, but I am interested in the conversation that can be had
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For example, I am looking forward to the new Grim Fandango, but it is the SAME game. Should I move on and enjoy the newer version or just play the old version that I have?
Not all digital 'enhanced' remakes are the same. Some are absolutely terrible. I don't know where Grim Fandango will fall on this list. The remakes for Monkey Island 1 and 2 were pretty good, but part of that is the ability to switch in and out of the old and new graphics at any time. So the best of both versions.
Gold Rush remake has terrible voice acting, the graphics look like 1995-1998 quality, although technically HD. The animation is stiff. IMo, the original is better.
I don't consider the new Gabriel Knight 20th Anniversary to be an improvement over the original. The older one had better actors, better atmosphere, and better/more animation even though it was 2D. I prefer the original over the new one, although the new one is still fun.
The Leisure Suit Larry Reloaded isn't necessarily better than the original or the remake.
The Police Quest 1 remake isn't necessarily better than the AGI version, etc.
KQ1 AGI and KQ1 remake, and the fan remake? They each have their pluses and minuses, and reasons to play them.Puzzle differences between the original and the remake for example.
The New Shadowgate, now was an exception. It was a lot of fun, original puzzles, and great atmosphere. Both versions are enjoyable for their own merits.
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More to my point though is that the hardware of the time of VHS could not display the quality we have today with Blu-Ray. So, would you rather have the old version, copied from VHS, that is an inferior quality to begin with, or would you rather have the optimized version of a movie that has been released at a higher quality because the technology is now available?
**FYI, I am not expressing any view here, but I am interested in the conversation that can be had
A bluray version of Casablanca isn't necessarily going to be infinitely better than the original film reel version of the movie. It's going to be limited by the quality of the original medium to begin with. The only thing bluray or digital copy might add is convenience. Which is important to me in the long run, the convenience of being able to continue to enjoy the movie, even if the transfer cannot be be improved by much, even with digital clean up techniques.
If its a newer movie where the masters haven't decayed are filmed in high speed/HD resolution, then the benefits of Bluray or digital HD begin to truly show.
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For example, I am looking forward to the new Grim Fandango, but it is the SAME game. Should I move on and enjoy the newer version or just play the old version that I have?
Not all digital 'enhanced' remakes are the same.
I totally agree and understand. I was specifically referring to Grim Fandango and from all accounts, it appears to be a 1:1 remake with a hopefully better interface for the player. I am guessing it will play just like the monkey island remakes.
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I'm a MASH fan. They did do a cleaned up version in the past for the television showings, but many scenes were cut due to the degradation of the original masters. THese enhanced versions were based on later syndicated versions of the episodes reduced for commercial time. So sometimes 5-10 minutes cut from each episode.
When they made the DVDs and Blurays they decided to go back to the masters. They fixed what they could, but in some cases it was so degraded the choice was to put the degraded version on the disks to keep the full version of the story, or cut them out completely. They went with a mix of using enhanced where they could, but kept the degraded scenes wherever possible. There were maybe two episodes where the masters had rotted beyond ability to save the content, and there were no other options to get the lost scenes back into them again, so they had to go with the enhanced versions instead (luckily these were 'clips episodes' so not a lot of story was actually lost).
Then the original Star Trek? I'm don't think watching the Special Edition versions are necessarily better than watching the original tv versions. Or that the special editions of Star Wars are necessarily better than the original theatrical versions.
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In the end, it's business.
The juice isn't always worth the squeeze. The extra effort to please a handful of people doesn't matter to companies, because often people that want backwards compatibility don't want to spend for it. And if you're not giving them money, then fuck you. Really, that's how it works.
Bt
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I'd certainly pay for that official chipless software based PS2 emulator that was already made for PS3, but removed in latest versions. Might even play up to $100 bucks for it. Especially if it might increase the chances of those games going digital in the future.
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I'd certainly pay for that official chipless PS2 emulator that was already made for PS3, but removed in latest versions. Might even play up to $100 bucks for it. Especially if it might increase the chances of those games going digital in the future.
You are in the minority there. How many people would pay $100 more for their PS3 or XBOX One for that ability/emulator? Not enough.
Bt hit it on the head. It is purely business.
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Yeah, you would pay for it - some others would, but in a production run where they're looking at bottom lines in the high 9 figures or even billions, it's not worth it for them. The development costs, the hiring of the team to do it... yeah, it's purely business. Unless a vast majority of people who buy systems demand this kind of thing, they won't do it.
Bt
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...business...juice...squeeze...effort...please...handful...backwards...fuck...it works.
Lambonius: Selectively editing Bt's posts to implicitly refer to masturbation since 2008.
You're welcome. 8)
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Yeah, you would pay for it - some others would, but in a production run where they're looking at bottom lines in the high 9 figures or even billions, it's not worth it for them. The development costs, the hiring of the team to do it... yeah, it's purely business. Unless a vast majority of people who buy systems demand this kind of thing, they won't do it.
Bt
Well my point was in this case the digital software emulator was already made, the money was already spent for its development. It technically would work on any current model. It's really just a simple firmware update to turn it on. The files can actually still be downloaded off of the PSN store, they just been disabled for certain models (unless you jailbreak your PS3, and then its easy to reactive apparently with the leaked master keys).
They do get used for some of the digital releases though, like the Castlevania: Lament of Innocence release, and a handful of other games. The idea was apparently instead of giving everyone the ability to have access to that emulator, it would only be open to the developers to release digital versions, and make sony 'even' more money. The only thing is not many companies are taking advantage of that option. There has been maybe 2-3 PS2 Original games that came out last year (PS1 originals have been maybe 10 a year a year at best).
There doesn't seem to be any discussion of the support being added to PS4, Vitas, or that Playstation TV addon. Though each of those systems would be capable of supporting the emulator
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Its a matter that this PS2 emulator already exists. Was already produced. If I wanted to jailbreak my PS3 I could already use it now. But that would cause issues with access to PSN, since Sony is constantly updating PS3 to make sure jail broken machines don't have access to the store.
More about the PS2 emulation, and Sony chooses to use it is discussed here.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-ps2-classics-on-ps3 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-ps2-classics-on-ps3)
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Sounds like a business decision to me, keep the emulator for developers so Sony can get money from them when you purchase your old games.
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Ya, I'm pretty sure that's the point. The only thing is very few developers are taking advantage of it. Hopefully maybe if they move it to the PS4 at some point...
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i know MANY that would have taken a ps without blue ray and take the backwards compat
hence why imo a nice ye ole school ps woulda been a nice add
but again my point IS that microsoft for almost nothing in cost could just add support like VMWARE does
without the hassle of extra cost
same with consoles, really do you know what that chip cost? it wasnt 100$
taking it out dropped the consoles only 45$ usd, thats it! the reason they took it out was
1. so people didnt see it as that high of price
2. the chip they used played only 80% yes that % is correct, of ps2 games but 100% or so ps1
and when it did play some games, it was wonky, as emulation is ...
forcing us gamers to emulate ps2 on pc, well it works but then it doesnt too
some games just hate it, some dont mind and work just fine, so im happy to emulate but again soon that option will fuckin vanish
and btw TY for the laugh on the masturbation mod post hahahahaha
i was thinking that in my head like nice words (is bt like related to jack black or somefin?)
skaaa dooucheee
:)
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Ya, I'm pretty sure that's the point. The only thing is very few developers are taking advantage of it. Hopefully maybe if they move it to the PS4 at some point...
to me in the end i know sony and microsoft AND nintendo will and does see that gamers want the old stuff,
so they will indeed make it digitally available but to what end and cost well shrug
and how will they do the jap imports i paid so much for, and learned enough to read old games (still cant get it by listening though they talk so damned fassssst)
ahh the snes translation days (I used to spend weeks helping translate those suckers for all to play on emulators hehe with a huge team of help mind you)
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A PS without a bluray? Doesn't the PS3 media utilize bluray to limit disk swapping or do you mean they should have went back to DVD disks?
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I had long talks at cons and over nets and in person
many would have opted to just use their blue ray player or WAIT to get the ps blue ray
in order to have the ability to play the ps2 games instead
thats all I gots to say
yes it was due to games getting to big, so it would have been a really really cheap ps that was aimed at ole backwards games only no blue ray ones
odd but this came up sooo many times people upset at the no backwards stuffs
many many many of them said i could live without blueray games id rather play the old stuff and my old console is broke and said stores or ebay want to much for consoles that are the originals and might go out at any moment, hell nintendo will fix a wii or GC still, its 150$ usd to FIX a gc and all you need is a bic pen and some know how
anyway
just know it was a talk about how we .. the old school gamers would have liked the option to have both blue ray and backwards compat, but only 3 models exist, sooo we would have opted for a model called like ye old school with preloaded stuffs and older hardware aka a new ps2 just as ps3.. basically..
hard to explain .. just get a ps2 toss in shadows of the collssuusss and watch how chug chug it goes, some games just never ran well on ps2 and we were all going oooo cant wait for ps3 so this game will finally run in more than 3 fps!
and it did for a few models, again as you said, the chips were made, the emu done the money was spent already,
taking it out did almost nothing for the cost total, the only thing vampin it up, was the blue ray which no other systems offered.. not even xbox, sooo why did ps need it shrug
movies.. was sony's main reason, not games, and most had a blue ray player already in the home, some didnt i dont, I dont even have an hd tv so what good would a blue ray hd dvd do for me? lol
though I do collect blue ray dvds like the doctor who box with the 3d anni special which one day ill be able to watch i hope, .. in 3d hd at home shrug
or my blade runner case signed by like almost the whole damned crew .. mc awesome got one dvd ver and one blue ray etc
annyway
still think since the tech is there, they should throw it back in,
same with microsoft and windows products
i mean we as old techs or gamers can use VM's and run games, why not just include this in windows with no real cost at all, hell partner up with some people or buy em out, they would make LOADS of cash on it, not a choice id have said no to if i was head of any of these companies esp in this awesome era of the comebacks.. aka games and movies revamped or the nostalgia of old games coming back full force.. = money and demand.. is high
shrug
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era of the comebacks.. aka games and movies revamped or the nostalgia of old games coming back full force.. = money and demand.. is high
This is what I am still not sure on. Yes, it appears that demand is high, but is there real data to support that claim? I can go to certain sites and see that there are people asking for it, but are they more of a vocal minority? I am guessing that the actual demand is much lower than what you think it is.
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I'm still confused about the Blueray.
If a PS3 didn't have blueray the disks would have all had to be sold on dvd which would have meant lots of disc swapping. It would have cost more money to sell DVD and Bluray versions of games, to those who wanted one or the other. Having media that holds more data without the disc swapping is convenient. As is moving towards digital download with the ever growing harddrive sizes.
Now something I would have backed would have been a 3rd generation PS2 that had a hard drive, and sold games digitally, and faster parts, increased memory (sorta of like they did with later PSPs). But like you said I wouldn't have minded just to pay a little extra to have that emulation in later models of the PS3 (taking it out didn't save much).
As for 'movie revamps'...
I pretty much hate 'movie revamps'... In most cases the originals are infinitely better. Hollywood needs to be more original, and try to live off of older ideas...
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Well I think the demand will increase the more years pass. There was no demand for enhanced remakes or releases of PS1 games during the PS2 era. But during, maybe about the middle of the PS3 era, people wanted PS1 classics. Now that PS4 era is starting, maybe middle of the era, people will want more PS2 classics.
Then in the middle of the PS5 era, people will want more PS3 classics. Although ya, some PS3 stuff is being rereleased in HD versions already on the PS4.
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people wanted PS1 classics...people will want more PS2 classics...people will want more PS3 classics.
Yes, but HOW MANY people? Enough to make it worth it financially? If it were, they would be doing it.
I would love to play Metal Gear Solid for nostalgia, but I am not willing to pay for that ability. I would rather put my money towards a new experience. I am guessing I am in the vast majority. Sure most people WANT it, but they aren't going to PAY for it.
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yes enough people for the companies to meet demand
again this is odd coming from a person involved in making a retro style game dude
lol
sheesh?
yes this is the era of the comebacks, need proof google is a friend, more and more people want the humor and story and are just bored to death of the next BF or COD etc.. dont get me wrong those sell but they have insane budgets, vs games like yours or the old games already made and people want to play
its already slated that the next ps will allow you to stream the old ps1 2 and play ps3 games but to what end im not sure, means you have to re purchase the old games. but its the option they picked,
that means these consoles CAN play the old games, period
sigh
anyway
as for ps3 without blue ray, no it would not have lead to disc swapping any more than say the xbox would, which didnt offer the blue ray.. sooo yea..
idk mate, ive talked to thousands of people since the ps3 bs took out the chipset due to claiming to lower the cost, which it really didnt not much anyway..
so again that tech was seen as needed or sony wouldnt have put it in .. in the beginning, and yes many want it or again they wouldnt have bothered.
sigh mate all the evidence is before you
where are we posting? FC3 forums? AC unity forums? COD? nope
we are in an AGS made retro point and click forum, and so many of these retro games esp after kickstarters etc, well this is the era of the remake, just turn on the tv, or pay attention!
I just saw the hobbit part 3 with my daughter one of the trailers, for terminator, with arnold fighiting himself as an older version of himself
why was total recall remade,
want the movie list? lol comic movies also, vs the mindless bashing of the same ole same ole movies like oh another die hard movie (though im not going to knock die hard 1 .. but really anything after that ahhh runn)
ill stop posting, i dont like where this is going, its like prove it or lalalalalaaaa i cant hear ya!
love ya mate but ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
take care
and happy holidays
ps hug your loved ones
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Uh, they are already doing PS1 classics (they just convinced Konami to rerelease Sukoden 2, which has been rather rare in the US). Something like 10-20 classics come out a year right now. Due to a glitch earlier this year, people already know that almost the entire backlog of PS1 is already in the system just ready to be sold. They are actually quite popular, and most work on PSP, Vita, and PS3, and the upcoming PS TV.
PS1 classics probably make up the bulk of the PSP and Vita sales even. Considering there aren't many games released during the life of the two systems... They aren't that successful in the US, and because Sony decided early on they didn't want to put the same support into them they do for Japan. So they are mostly advertised on the PS1 classics, and some PS2 ports oddly enough!
http://www.vg247.com/2014/04/24/sony-removes-recently-added-psone-psp-classic-games-from-vita-store/ (http://www.vg247.com/2014/04/24/sony-removes-recently-added-psone-psp-classic-games-from-vita-store/)
Some of what is holding back release is 'licensing' all the companies have to be involved and the lawyers made happy. One of the reasons it took Sukoden 2 so long.
PS2 classics are still going slow (maybe 3-5 a year), but may start picking up as people demand the games again. There are ways to contact the companies involved to demand the games.
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I would love to play Metal Gear Solid for nostalgia, but I am not willing to pay for that ability. I would rather put my money towards a new experience. I am guessing I am in the vast majority. Sure most people WANT it, but they aren't going to PAY for it.
Uh dude where have you been, its already up in the store it was rereleased as part of the Metal Gear Solid collection, but can be bought independently from the digital store.
http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-Collection-Playstation-3/dp/B00CTKHXFO (http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-Collection-Playstation-3/dp/B00CTKHXFO)
Hell, it even comes with emulated versions of the NES Metal Gears (except for the US Metal Gear 2 that Hideo Kojima didn't have part in)
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as for ps3 without blue ray, no it would not have lead to disc swapping any more than say the xbox would, which didnt offer the blue ray.. sooo yea..
Um incorrect. Several games on Xbox 360 which uses DVD and/or HD-DVD (a medium that never caught on, and is no longer supported). That new HD-DVD technology actually made the 360 cost extra money on release as well in the same way the Bluray did. It was bleeding edge tech, in competition with Bluray. But Bluray won out.
The average 360 media holds between 6-15 gb of data at the most. The bluray holds up to about 50 gbs.
In fact several games do require disk swapping, because the DVDs or if they choose to use them, HD-DVD does not hold as much as the bluray. So the Xbox 360 version in games that were on both consoles sometimes had more than one disk on the 360, than they would on PS3. The Castlevania Lords of Shadow series for example were on two disks on 360 and 1 disk on PS3.
Mass Effect 3 was another game that required disk swapping on the 360 because it was so large. As are the later Assassin's Creeds from 3 and 4 for example. Were so huge.
The need for discswapping on the 360 begins around the time that games reached the 30 gigabyte range.
Had both Microsfot and Sony decided to use old DVD or even older CD technology it would have required even higher amounts of disc swapping. But instead they both decided to put their support and development costs into more expensive unproven digital medium technologies. And HD-DVD lost the battle, and Sony won out.
http://techland.time.com/2011/03/30/new-disc-format-for-xbox-360-adds-1-gb-still-no-match-for-blu-ray/ (http://techland.time.com/2011/03/30/new-disc-format-for-xbox-360-adds-1-gb-still-no-match-for-blu-ray/)
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why was total recall remade,
want the movie list?
Just because a movie is remade, doesn't mean people 'want them'. The majority of remakes actually bomb in the theatres. Most lose money. If they are lucky they break even once it goes to rentals.
Sequels do a little better, but not always.
Of course the new generation of super hero movies are wanted because of the super hero franchise, not necessarily because its a 'reboot'.
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There's a major difference between retro style gaming like what we've made with QFI and playing 20 year old games on a modern system. Our games only simulate retro, they're a modern 24 bit colour palette, they use a modern supported engine, they use modern digital music formats and modern tools such as a particle effects generator. We don't have to go, how are we going to get this to function with a modern video card, because it's built with current technology. I doubt very much there's much similarity between the PS1 and the PS4 in terms of hardware architecture now, in the same way a PC from 1983 has much in common with a PC from 2014.
It's a false premise drawing a line between what we do with retro style gaming and talking about emulating older games on a modern system. The two things have nothing in common beyond aesthetics.
All this talk of retro games made me go and download the original Crash Bandicoot on my PS3. $2.49 is a good price for an 18 year old game I think. I certainly wouldn't pay more for it. (My original CD is scratched.)
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Yes, but HOW MANY people? Enough to make it worth it financially? If it were, they would be doing it.
Sure most people WANT it, but they aren't going to PAY for it.
Quoted for truth. I've bought a couple of older PS1 titles through PSN but I've not payed more than a couple of dollars for each. People WANT a lot of things but aren't willing to pay for it. It's hard enough getting people to pay for a new game let alone a decade/s old game.
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I would love to play Metal Gear Solid for nostalgia, but I am not willing to pay for that ability. I would rather put my money towards a new experience. I am guessing I am in the vast majority. Sure most people WANT it, but they aren't going to PAY for it.
Uh dude where have you been, its already up in the store it was rereleased as part of the Metal Gear Solid collection, but can be bought independently from the digital store.
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-Collection-Playstation-3/dp/B00CTKHXFO[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-Collection-Playstation-3/dp/B00CTKHXFO[/url])
Hell, it even comes with emulated versions of the NES Metal Gears (except for the US Metal Gear 2 that Hideo Kojima didn't have part in)
Bad example, but it illustrates my point even better. I LOVED that game, yet I have never even attempted to go back and play it, or even find out if I could. Now that I know, I still am not likely ever going to play it, especially if I have to pay for it.
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yes enough people for the companies to meet demand
again this is odd coming from a person involved in making a retro style game dude
lol
sheesh?
Just because I helped to program a retro-style game doesn't mean I believe they are going to make enough money to pay the bills. I also work a full time job. No chance I quit it to go into the retro gaming industry. Not enough interest there. I am part of the team here because I love the genre and the games. But even then, I am not going to pay full price to be able to play them. When I got my sierra games from GOG, I waited for a damn good sale because I wasn't willing to pay full price for them and I am a dedicated fan. There really isn't enough interest dude. It's not me just saying "prove it." I just don't agree that there is enough interest, because if there was, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Yes, there is money to be made, but not enough for it to be a priority.
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Ya, but it wasn't put back up for you, it was put up for the people wanted to play the entire series. Or those who wanted to replace their copy and play it again.
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Chucklas, I generally wait for 'damn good sales' for any game on the market, anymore, including newer ones. I don't have enough money to spend hundreds of dollars on one or two games...
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Ya, but it wasn't put back up for you, it was put up for the people wanted to play the entire series. Or those who wanted to replace their copy and play it again.
But how large is that group?
As for waiting for sales, etc. If you always wait for the sales, then Sony, Microsoft, or whomever aren't really making their products for you. It goes both ways man.
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I have no idea how large the group is. It's enough that they keep supporting it, and actually support it more than they do the regular platform releases at least on PSP and Vita, which have very few native games in the US, and primarily only the console games. There is literally maybe 100 Vita games for example, and almost 500 PS1 games. They announced in 2013 they weren't going to focus too much on bringing over the vita only games, unless they sold digitally. PSP of course is pretty much no longer supported, other than it continues to get PS1 classics. Probably because people want to play old games portable, rather than having to be stuck to a tv.
But another thing that Sony has done recently is Playstation Now, which lets players 'live stream' old PS1, PS2, and even PS3 games on PS3, PS4, and Vita platforms. Rumor has it they are actually still working on a PS1 and PS2 emulator for the PS4 in the future release as well.
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I am a gamer, I'm just not rich person that can afford to play games all the time. There are lots of games I want to play, but I just can't afford to pay for them at full price.
Actually Steam has so many sales and companies agree to have them because they actually make quite a bit of money off the 'flash sales' (midweek, and end of week, or monthly, seasonal sales). Getting people to buy them that otherwise can't afford them, or wouldn't necessarily buy them. Its apparently become one of the most successful markets for the various companies.
It is for them better to get a 200,000 paying $8 for a game during a flash sale, than a few thousand a month on regular price. Companies are getting to the point that they have flash sales on their games almost 2 months after its release. Sometimes even a month after at 50% for a short time. and a 75% off 3-4 month after release. They no clearly who they are trying to market!
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http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/174587/Steam_sales_How_deep_discounts_really_affect_your_games.php (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/174587/Steam_sales_How_deep_discounts_really_affect_your_games.php)
Of course sales or lack of sales doesn't mean its going to hurt or harm every single game. It all depends on the type of game, and if people are interested in it. If a game is a flop, and no one is interested in it, sales or no sales might not help it at all. It just remains a flop.
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http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/09/15/sony-still-supporting-the-vita-but-admits-changing-strategies-to-satisfy-a-niche/ (http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/09/15/sony-still-supporting-the-vita-but-admits-changing-strategies-to-satisfy-a-niche/)
Stuff like this, people saying that if it wasn't for PS1 classics, and the occasional old school style game, the vita would almost be a complete failure as a console... It's use as an expensive add-on for PS4 doesn't really help its 'legacy' much. It's largely being ignored for proper native new game releases.
I never bought a vita, it has and has no compelling library or upcoming games worthy of buying it, I certainly don't need an overpriced accessory.
I actually got my Vita for free, from a phone company contract. Out of the various freebies they offered. But its really not worth buying on its own IMO.
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PSP of course is pretty much no longer supported, other than it continues to get PS1 classics. Probably because people want to play old games portable, rather than having to be stuck to a tv.\
This is the one spot where I will agree with you. I feel as though the handheld market does much better with older titles than consoles. I can also agree that flash sales, etc do help overall sales numbers many times. I also think those flash sales have devalued the gaming industry as a whole and in the end they have done more harm to the industry as a whole than good.
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I don't think the recessions over the last few years have helped either. If people had more reliable incomes and money remained sound, probably be more people willing to buy at full price more often.
Of course fiascos like companies releasing buggy games , isn't helping people want to preorder either. Ubisoft, EA, etc, have all ben bothered by that problem. Who wants to pay full price for buggy games?
P.S. the only portable console I find myself using consistently is the Nintendo 3DS. Great new games, and handy portable virtual console as well, even if it still lacks SNES and GBA games.
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sorry chuklas and again my arch awesome poster kyltos (waves hello my good sir)
I love ya guys but you are not correct. I cant change your views nor you mine, but seriously..
no matter what this thread is leading to a bad bad place and at the worst time possible
im taking my leave and saying NO SIR you are wrong 100%
thanks mate for the kind words ill just sod off for a while or maybe you can do your own research vs just your single opinion (though I cant force that to change which is obvious)
what would it take? yeaaa .. the entire world sending you a pm saying we want this?
just know again sony knew and put it in..
period they wouldnt have even DONE that if the demand was not there
as for the next gen all are looking to STREAM old games from the old platforms, HOW CAN THEY DO THAT without the same chipset the omitted
they cant and yet they will.
sooo its for sure more in demand that you claim to think or know,
sorry..
when you go to your cons talk to people..
sigh bye now, and keep the view I cant change it but sir.. you are being hunted.. ahem damn steam games.. i mean sir you are wrong man.
THIS IS the era... of the remake, has been since friggen lame star wars ep1 ick..
seriously..
sigh
again ty for being nice in regards to all other ventures in my life that much I appreciate, still not sure who trolled my thread but, :(
bad times right now,
anyway take care guys,
im not going to take part in this INSANE babble that the demand isnt there for old games to be played anymore... its wrong wrong and mind numbingly so.
maybe I should ask for a refund considering old games hold no creed for you, haha why even do KS or anything yeaa man totally contradicting your own views with your own tastes and company, which I would be proud to work with and for..
sigh
take care guys im out for a while,
know I love ya all, :-*
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I am not saying that there isn't demand, just that there isn't enough demand to make it worth the amount of work it takes. As for cloud based emulation, I am not sure how that works except the consoles don't need the hardware since the computing takes place on other servers. At the end of the day, we will just have to agree to disagree. No love lost. You are correct that this is the era of the remake. I just am more cynical as to why. It isn't because that's what people want, but because it is easy. No one needs an original idea. Let's just remake everything or do sequels. Very little original content. That's a disappointment too.
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Exactly, it's not that there's not demand for it, but there's a lack of wanting to PAY for it, which will make corporations not want to invest their time and money into it. Frankly, I don't blame them.
Other methods of backwards compatibility have been created by hackers, crackers, fans and other folks but you'll be hard-pressed to find a company that will lay it out there for people that won't pay for their products.
Bt
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Comparing a game like QFI which simulates a retro style but is built on modern tech and an old game that was actually built with 90's technology is not a valid argument for whether old games should be available for sale. They're completely different things. The only thing those games have in common are the aesthetics. QFI "pretends" to be old, but in reality it's not.
I'm with Steve on this one, I think there's demand for old games, I just don't think for a large company like Sony there's enough money in it to give it more than a cursory effort.
To quote Sony's director of marketing John Koller a few years back when they took the backwards compatibility out of the PS3 "Now that we're at a point where we're three years into the lifecycle of the PS3, there are so many PS3 disc-based games that are available that we think — and noticed this from our research — that most consumers that are purchasing the PS3 cite PS3 games as a primary reason. And it's not just like 50 or 60 percent. It's well into the 80 or 90 percentile range who are purchasing it for PS3 games. We do know that there are next gen consumers wanting to come over the the PS3. Most of those are consumers who have not utilized their PS2 for a little while and they're ready to jump into the PlayStation 3."
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O M G ! Poor choice for a selfy!
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Too big for a selfie I think.
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https://medium.com/message/playing-with-my-son-e5226ff0a7c3
The article is called "Playing with my Son", but not in the Lambonius meaning...
And this, for me, is the most interesting impact of the experiment.
Eliot’s early exposure to games with limited graphics inoculated him from the flashy, hyper-realistic graphics found in today’s AAA games. He can appreciate retro graphics on its own terms, and focus on the gameplay.
The lo-fi graphics in games like VVVVVV, FTL, or Cave Story might turn off other kids his age, but like me, he’s drawn to them.
My hope is that this experiment instilled a life-long appreciation for smaller, weirder, more intimate games in him.
So I gave my son a crash course in video game history, compressing 25 years of gaming history into about four years.
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I banned the dick who posted that hairy scrotum image.
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So now Nintendo is expanding on the Wii emulation on Wii U...
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metroid-prime-trilogy-poised-for-wii-u-re-release/1100-6424641/ (http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metroid-prime-trilogy-poised-for-wii-u-re-release/1100-6424641/)
By adding the option of downloading Wii games directly to the Wii U, and even going into a Wii game by directly inserting a Wii disc into the system ('on select games').
This week they released Mario Galaxy 2 (at introductory price of $10), and apparently Metroid Prime Trilogy will also be released in the coming weeks at $10 bucks introductory price as well (great deal for a great series).
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strange again here mate as the wii-u's on sale here dont support real disc wii games anymore, only the dls
not sure wtf you are looking at but here again where I live and in lala land, the wii-u's no longer support wii game discs,
but even then wtf is the point, most of the games sucked hard anyway, even those listed ..
shrug
im lost again as the last wii-u that sold that was wii disc capable was the zelda wii-u edition and then nothing here on my end,
shrugx2
what was the point of your post? this is what I think all console and pc/os makers should do
it allows the oppurtunity to play older games on a newer console, and if you own the real game it costs NOTHING, minus the fact i think you are reading into it wrong,
i think no matter what you must buy the game again..
digitally which blows ding ding
or find me a copy in northern central cali that plays wii games..
cause I sure as hell cant find a newer model minus that zelda one
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and dammmn why is the metroid trilogy worth so much for a wii game? i have 3! still sealed and one opened one,
the games suck, you have to stop to aim on 2 of the games,
grr
like res evil,, wait right there zombie i must stop , hold my gun out aim and fire then run, not run back and fire at the same time.
same issue with gc but i do know a few talks were made about the newer metroids battle system (where you can run and shoot) being put into the older games, but never tried as i lost interest but I own the trilogy sets for wii
shrug
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"im lost again as the last wii-u that sold that was wii disc capable was the zelda wii-u edition and then nothing here on my end,
I have no idea what you are talking about. There were quite a few Wii-U editions after the Zelda edition that have Wii-U support..
The version I have has Wii Mode support as well (it was released mid-2014), and Nintendo still advertises Wii-U support as one of its plusses.
You'll have to prove to me that there is some version floating out there that doesn't have the "Wii Mode" icon. Photos, and links?
Even this current model that has Super Mario 3D world bundled with it is advertised as having WII support.
http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Wii-Deluxe-Set-Bundle-3ds/dp/B00MVUKM0A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421358907&sr=8-1&keywords=wii-u (http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Wii-Deluxe-Set-Bundle-3ds/dp/B00MVUKM0A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421358907&sr=8-1&keywords=wii-u)
What is not compatible with the "Wii Mode' is the Wii-U controller you have to actually have a Wii Mote and nunchucks for any of the emulated games. Wii Mode and Star Wars Galaxy 2 digital edition included require the nunchuck and motion strip.
While I'm sure there will be a redesigned Wii-U model soon enough, Nintendo hasn't announced one yet.
Also Metroid games aren't meant to be action games, they are action-adventure games. It's more about the exploration and puzzle solving...There really aren't that many enemies in them either.
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seriously I have to prove myself?
wow
I mean im not saying for you to prove YOURSELF mate,
but really?
call gamestop if you live in usa, they will tell you,
wii'u in my area only have special editions that play wii games now unless you dl them and emulate vs the insert wii disc here,
i went to buy one and none played wii games from discs none..
just the zelda edition, not saying there arent more out there, just saying whats available in my area at my shops best buy, frys and gamestops no wii compatible wii u's unless you pay for the special editions
ive since contacted nintendo that did indeed state in email and on phone that they originally slated the wii'us to never playing the retail hard copy games ever again, but it got repealed by online petitons as many wanted that option in, sooo
more are obviously made or in the works
but on the shelves not here..
and im in sacramento ca
so just call up a game stop, ask hey do some wii'u s not play wii games retail only digi dl? they will say YES
there was even a list of which versions did play them and which didnt but I cant find the link anymore,
same as ps3 version list i linked which has only 3 ps3's that played ps2 games no others, just 3 models,
and 1 model only played 40% of the ps2 games, where the 1st 2 models played about 80-90% just fine
same thing for the wii u
i wont need to prove anything, just call yourself call nintendo ffs
I believe you, how hard is it to ask a forum or member to trust and believe me without spitting links in my current drama situation.
shrug, dont believe me its ok, I know whats real,
and I BELIEVE YOU, just sad and upsetting you dont reciprocate that
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Do you know what i want? I want a super Console System that will play All my old Intellivision, Atari, Nes, Snes, Sega Master/Genesis, Dreamcast, Atari lynx, N64, Ps1/PS2/PS3, Xbox/X360, Sega Gamegear, Gameboy, WI, Plus this system will play all my old DOS games on 3 1/2 ld disks without having to screw around with Dosbox etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will call this System ChadlyVision and probally get sued by everyone on Earth........ :) ;) :D Wait i will do what Sean Parker did and declare bankruptcy and still manage to be a Gazilliuonaire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHa Chadly.....
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I'm really trying not to be a dick about this, because I really am sorry about your current situation, it sucks (to say the least) but that doesn't mean people should just believe you when you say something that is just plain wrong. I knew nothing about this before this thread, but the burden of proof rest with you not Baggins. He obviously has a system he bought 6 months ago which still supports Wii game discs, and he linked to an article which states that Wii-U
Although all Wii games can be played on the Wii U, players need to enter into the system's emulator to play these.
He's provided proof and all you've said is it's wrong, trust me.
Doing a minor amount of further research, Nintendo's website says that Wii-U supports disc Wii games, the only proviso is you need your original controllers.
http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1145/~/how-to-play-wii-games-on-the-wii-u (http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1145/~/how-to-play-wii-games-on-the-wii-u)
http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/built-in-software/wii-menu (http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/built-in-software/wii-menu)
Wii Menu is built in to Wii U. It allows for backwards compatibility with Wii game discs, saved game data, and purchased WiiWare and Virtual Console games on your new Wii U console.
Not that I care because I think the Wii is a piece of shit, I sold mine within a month of buying it because the whole remote + nunchuck thing is just fucking awkward - something the Wii-U has fixed with a much better controller. But the principle here is Baggins made a statement with proof and you're shitty because he won't believe you when your evidence is "hey trust me".
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urmm you crossed a line there kyltos
one I wont forgive
sorry
he has only proven that wii u consoles are still made now with wii support NOT that they did in fact stop making some with support for it..
jesus mate, seriously you DO mean to be a dick about this, and you are
he has shown no proof that im wrong or right as neither have I, and I shouldnt have to.
If you want call nintendo, or a gamestop or stfu
either way, I find it hard to grasp that you klytos would stick into this and suggest that what Im saying needs proof or im lying, this is IN FACT what you are fucking saying and I cant even fathom how you could or would do that to anyone reguardless of their situation mate.
I love you but this, is FUCKED UP.
seriously take care guys I wish you the best I wont be back
I really dont understand what you think I was trying to prove, only that some wii'u dont support wii games directly only via the dl or mod, and some do support it,
going to my stores none support wii games, none, and I must prove this, interesting,
take care all, and I still love you but, no one should be forced to prove something so idiotic,
esp something like this,
if you dont believe me FINE, your loss on knowhow of the wii u, my gain,
as i do believe him that they are making them again, per nintendo they did STOP making them due to going for DIGI DL soft mod etc only,
but then online petitions led them to just putting it back, but ive yet to see one on the shelf unless its used that runs wii games,
seriously
sigh
hope you adjust your views but I know you to well and I know you wont, but man what you said is seriously offensive and I cant be apart of this forum or a fan of this group when someone as yourself talks so down to me like that
im 38 man, not 14 (admitting though I do act 14 most times) but I dont need you to be injecting idiotic bs.
If i said I dont believe HIM at all, then i could see your post making sense, but thats NOT what I said, i do believe him,
you all dont believe.. me and frankly ive done NOTHING in my history here to make anyone disbelieve anything i say or do.
ever..
shrug
for now so long and hug your loved ones,
ill try to get you your damned proof, from gamestores and nintendo tomorrow, if I even care at that point to make this valid. my word, should really be good enough on this scale but shock and awe, its not?
what on this earth have I ever said or done to make you think id LIE over something like this? what would I have to even fucking GAIN from telling a mistruth here? nothing thats right
now go drink a keg and think about how badly you just insulted me a dedicated fan and how ive never had reason to lie ever, nor would I
cheers n beers
the a hole
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I'm sorry you feel offended by my post. But I am nowhere near any line to be crossing it. I'm certainly not trying to be a dick. I'm quite capable of being a dick and you'd know the difference clearly. I am entitled to stick my comments into any thread I wish to, for two reasons. The first being that it's a public forum and I can post whatever I want - whenever I want (welcome to the internet), and secondly as an admin I could see that the topic was degenerating quite fast and in order to put an end to that I went and researched what you both were arguing over.
I'm locking this thread because nothing good will come of this.