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Public Forums => Banter and Chit-Chat! => Topic started by: Chadly on October 20, 2012, 11:56:18 AM
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Hey everyone, just a reminder if you live in the USA to get out and vote in the November election. Yeah i hate politics too, but voting is Important!! Many have fought and died to give you this right!!! So take 10 min out of your day and go Vote!
Too many people say "my vote doesnt count". Yes it does count. Why let others make important decisions for you? By voting you get to have a say in Who runs this country of ours. Sure politicians are crooked and Really dont serve the ideas and ideals they run on, but by voting you have a say in who gets to serve our country. So Vote in every election. I do and so should You!!!!!
This a friendly service announcement by the Comittee who encourages everyone to vote and Hates politics! ;D
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Amen, Chadly. I know some people say their vote doesn't matter - but it does. It should matter to you. In the end, that's what counts; you did what you knew was right in your heart. And if you feel the system is broke, you don't fix it by not using it; you get involved.
Bt
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Your vote only counts if you live in one of the swing states. ;) Thank you, Electoral College.
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Saturday Night Live did a bit that nails it about the undecideds.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/404175#i1,p0,d2 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/404175#i1,p0,d2)
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Here is some fun candidates for President of the United States of America:
1.Bruce Springsteen. 2. Alice Cooper. 3.Gene Simons. 4.Ted Nugent.5.Beyonce.6.Jay LO. 7.Taylor Swift. 8.Miranda Lambert. Now for Movie Stars: 1.Arnold Swartzenegger. 2.Clint Eastwood. 3.Russel Crowe. 3.Jim Carrey. 4.Michael Douglas. 5.John Wayne. 6.Robert De Niro. 7.Al Pacino. 8.George Carlin. 9. Denis Leary.
Finally some others for even more Laughter: 1.Bill O'Reilly 2.Glenn Beck 3.Rush Limbaugh 4.Jon Stewart 5.Bill Mahr 6.Dennis Miller 7.Anyone from MSNBC. 8.Andy Rooney
This is all in Good Fun Mind You, but i bet these folks would get plenty of votes! :) ;D
Still would't it be cool to hear Born in the USA or Cat Scratch Fever when the President made the state of the Union Address??????
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Your vote only counts if you live in one of the swing states. ;) Thank you, Electoral College.
And I've heard that if we went by popular vote and not the Electoral College, only 4 states -- the most populous -- would matter: California, New York, Florida and Texas. ;)
At least ~12 states or so are important, Electorally speaking, IIRK from the discussions during the 2004 or 2008 election cycle...
Oh, let's be honest: in every modern election, the Electoral College gets dissed...
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Your vote only counts if you live in one of the swing states. ;) Thank you, Electoral College.
And I've heard that if we went by popular vote and not the Electoral College, only 4 states -- the most populous -- would matter: California, New York, Florida and Texas. ;)
At least ~12 states or so are important, Electorally speaking, IIRK from the discussions during the 2004 or 2008 election cycle...
Oh, let's be honest: in every modern election, the Electoral College gets dissed...
Haha, no you're right--the Electoral College is a necessity. :) And I live in a state that always tends to vote the way I politically lean, so it's no biggie, but it certainly can be frustrating. If I were a conservative, I'd be pissed living in Illinois. The rest of the state is majority conservative, but our electoral college votes always go Democratic because of Chicago.
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Well heck ya, the Electorial college was designed to keep large states with large populations from running the election. Small states like HI, RI, etc would have no chance against the larger states like CA, TX, NY, OH, PA, etc. Sure i am all for the popular vote but looks at the joke that was the 2000 election. That made the USA look bad in the eyes of the World. In my home state of PA most folks are Republicans but Erie and Pittsburgh demographics rule the roost so to speak. Its all crazy, neither party gets anything done, SAD.
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The Electoral College was designed to be a safe guard against a rash electorate. The Electoral College is based on population. It is rare that an election can be won by the electoral map, but lost in the popular. This only happens when populous states have a low turnouts and more sparsely populated states have high turnouts.
The grid lock is a more recent phenomena because of some who have placed party loyally ahead of the best interest of the country. It didn't use to be so. Congressional members used to socialize with each other and their families regardless of which side of the aisle the other came from. Many were close friends with others of the opposition party. When Reagan was shot, the Democratic Speaker of the House, Tip O'Neill, came and prayed at Reagan's bedside. They might have fought each other bitterly in Congress, but saw that they had more in common than not. They wanted to serve their country and were willing to compromise for the best interest of the country.
Now, some only seek only power and political gain, no matter the cost to the country. The idiot that defeated Dick Lugar said that his idea of compromise was for the Democrats to come complete over to his side. How can you work in good faith with anyone like that? And to think that this double digit IQ subhuman defeated someone of the caliber of Lugar.
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That made the USA look bad in the eyes of the World.
'merica don't care what the WORLD thinks. 'cause we're more FREE, and they HATE that...
;)
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Attention all Infamous: Today is erection (oops i mean Election) Day. Take 10 min out of your day and vote! Thousands have died and fought for YOU, so who can have this right under our Democracy! :) Chadly
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No. They won't take my vote (except possibly in Florida).
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Yep, you should all definitely vote if you possibly can. Even if you are on different opinions about various candidates, the worst thing anyone can do is not vote.
On a sort of offtopic, when my country voted for it's European Parliament representatives, only 35.7% of the whole country (460k out of 1.3M) voted and it was HELL after it, people complaining about the winning candidates. Luckily, my party won big-time, but if, say, 50% or 60% voted, the final result could've been completely different.
You may think that one vote doesn't count, but it does and unfortunately so many people think that way (I can't imagine how many millions skip voting in USA).
I usually don't make so long comments lol, buuuut while I'm at it, here's another EVEN BETTER example, again from my country. In 2009, when we previously voted for our European Parliament representatives, one party almost got 3 positions out of the total 6 that we have. They LITERALLY had 6 votes too few for 3 positions and got 2 instead. SIX VOTES!
So next time you think your vote doesn't matter, think of these stories. I'm not sure what's the average percentage of voters from USA, but I'm guessing there are quite a lot who don't vote (as in numbers, not percentages [especially compared to my country]).
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I never vote,
ever..
sorry :(
I do know its important, true,
but if I do vote its only to get bad people out and that would be... well everyone
I hate politics, I hate our gov, I hate everything about usa's system
imo we need a riot and overthrow and thats all ill really say on that topic
and ill leave you with this quote and say that we are long over doooooo for a rebellion and that me voting only puts another idiot in some seat or office, all suck some worse some better but all in all, all bad all wrong
“The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
― Thomas Jefferson (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1673.Thomas_Jefferson), Letters of Thomas Jefferson (http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/4991260)
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All bad and all wrong? Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. There are some good people in all parties and all levels of government trying to do good and build a better country. You may not agree with them but that doesn't make them bad.
Democracy isn't perfect but it's a shitload better than any other system out there, and the American system of democracy isn't perfect, but it's better than most other systems out there.
Saying I won't vote because they're all wrong and bad is just a cop out.
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no no klytos I meant the government.. not individuals
"the system.. is down"
and again thats a direct quote from a founding father
and in truth Im a communist in heart but not in application, it works in the mind and on paper but not in application.
IM ANTI GOVERNMENT.. sorry thats my view
so I just dont vote.
its also why I cant own a gun,
id walk up to my highest ranking officer and shoot them, then join the enemy, you really dont want me voting or on a jury or anything like that
do I agree with you that our gov is better than some, sureeeeee as hell I do, but urmm
no Ive been to places like finland and norway and we here in amercia, well
are so far behind on almost everything,
in finland you get a house, school, a job all given to you, sure taxes suck up the 80-90% rate but all is taken care of..
here we just .. need to refresh that tree with blood before I vote
the bottom line
we as a people are afraid of our gov and police rolling around in tanks from desert storm,
until thats washed away with blood, I wont believe in america.. sorry
and again , they? are all wrong i never said THEY klytos, i just say ALL BAD ... ALL WRONG,
as in the gov
not again as individuals
im with bill maher on this one
though he also says to vote, but in terms of how our gov just sucks on all sides of our 20 sided die.. is just way to true. but even he still says he loves what america stood for, not what it stands for.
anyway
you read into me pointing at specific people wrong
again bottom line is the avg person and as a whole we the people fear or police and gov, and that SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
cop out?
I dont vote, cant make me just as I cant make you NOT vote..
shrug
learn to love or respect views and all will be happy
just due to me not voting? its prolly for the best,
imagine my mentality at a voting booth, marking F U to all boxes
nahh
and my post was never meant to offend and if it did offend ya you hold to tight you your laurels and there is no need to jump my bones about me voting.. with almost an attack saying its a cop out.. haha
seriously, if I could id burn the entire usa down to the ground and let nature start over.. hell id do that to the world..
but I cant so I wont.
you really dont want someone like me anywhere near any system.
hope im still welcome here just because of my views but again
my pop and others raised me to never bring up religion, politics, nor sports anywhere near a forum or table to talk about.. so hope you dont hate me, you got my answer if ya dont like it thats ok hope ya still like me. and want me on site
cheers n beers
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well seems my view MUST be wrong eh?
sigh
cant everyone just have their own belief system?
shrug
please?
id also like to add that after traveling ALOT im very lucky to have been born in usa.
there are so many TERRIBLE places out there
middle east, Thailand etc but as soooon as my probation is up, I plan on moving OUT of usa
as for my point on shooting my ranking officer, Im ANTI war(so if i was drafted oh all bad), ANTI gov ANTI religion but in no way would I try to take that belief from someone else.
I just wanted to share a quote that jefferson said long ago, that we need to randomly overthrow the gov to keep them in check and we are long over dooo in usa.
rich win, poor lose there is no middle class, we only JUST got healthcare (one of the LAST countries to do so) we only just legalized pot after a huge spending on war on drugs
hell you cant even own a vibrator as a woman .. or man in 3 states, or you go to prison.. thats not coo!
hehe
I love ya'll
hugs
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Amen, Chadly. I know some people say their vote doesn't matter - but it does. It should matter to you. In the end, that's what counts; you did what you knew was right in your heart. And if you feel the system is broke, you don't fix it by not using it; you get involved.
Bt
this is so very true mate
that I DO agree with, but once jaded ... well hard to get UN jaded :P for me anyway.
but very true..
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Amen, Chadly. I know some people say their vote doesn't matter - but it does. It should matter to you. In the end, that's what counts; you did what you knew was right in your heart. And if you feel the system is broke, you don't fix it by not using it; you get involved.
Bt
this is so very true mate
that I DO agree with, but once jaded ... well hard to get UN jaded :P for me anyway.
but very true..
What do you know... I do say some okay stuff from time to time. I still believe what I said two years ago. You don't fix something by not being involved in the process.
Bt
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@Kaldire (http://www.infamous-quests.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=477) Woah. Information flow. I have to agree with Shawn on this one. Sure there are possibly many bad people in the goverment, but they're not all bad. And yes you said that the government as a whole is bad, but if you keep supporting the good ones in there, their strength will grow.
I have to say that your thoughts on shooting an officer and burning down the whole world are a bit disturbing for me. And sure, you can try communism, but trust me when I say that eastern europeans know it first-hand that it doesn't work.
As a sidenote, Finland isn't the paradise you imagine it to be. It is good for the natives, but as an immigrant you're bound to have a rough start.
So in conclusion, your views aren't wrong. It's just that some of them are a bit worrying (especially the before-mentioned burning down the world and stuff). :-\
@Blackthorne (http://www.infamous-quests.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2) Wow, 3999 posts. Epic! 8)
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@DosboxLetsPlay (http://www.infamous-quests.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=562)
well thats just how I see things,
and as for finland no way would i move there! just mentioned we are so far behind in every manner.
we are ranking 3rd world almost these days
shrug
as for me saying im a communist in nature but not APPLICATION, thats all well and good as I said on paper or in the mind, but once applied it NEVER works
would be nice though since star trek is sorta communistic future! no money, all is given free, shoe makers give shoes free, bakers bread etc, but in the end.. it doesnt work, so im no affiliation, just closer to communist that any other.
as for the shooting statement, that was meant if someone forced me to fight, not just on a whim!
like if there was a draft again, someone said you MUST go to war, id do it then take out the usa army until I was taken out.. which prolly wouldnt be very long.... hope most feel that way about a forced draft...
and again im not disagreeing with anyone, in fact ive pointed out this is my view, from my experience that no one can take from me, same for yours and shawns and bts..
all here...
but again, as pop said never bring up politics religion or sports. it just leads to bad things.. even if its saying hey rock the vote its shoving it down my throat almost like when i see a anti smoking commercial i go out and have a cig and say .. fu to the tv.. it doesnt make me want to stop, as the rock the vote doesnt make me want to vote
as soon as i see people that would improve this nation, id vote, so far ive seen 1 of 1000 in a bucket and that wont fly for me..
but saying that I do agree with shawn and bt .. to a point
if all were like me in my view NOTHING would ever get better.. worse in fact,
but hey, you dont really want a dude like me voting, or doing anything other than putting on a berret and going to the congress and kicking all those fat rich bloated sobs off..and into hell
rich makes me sick I dont want to get into the top 1-2% its just sick, and that hasnt changed forever now only getting worse..
its why i loved steve jobbs... he donated so much saved forests etc, id vote for him
and even greg graffin joked at running for pres id vote for him too !
as br said "against the grain!"
so thats for bts note to me... if no one swims up stream or against the grain nothing will change, but I know. im not the one to start that boat, toooo jaded,
in fact I would go as far as saying I hate usa.. very much,
again I dislike other places more so, but usa is more underhanded about everything
at least in middle east you KNOW what is comin at you and why.. here its ..
shady dealings, stabs in the back and false hope.
but rock the vote I never said for anyone NOT to!
just said that with jeffersons statement, we are about 150 years overdue for a riot to overthrow
let me ask this again
go ask the people in usa on the street if they are afraid of police or their gov
most are. and it should be the other way around..
police dont protect us they protect themselves and the rich
as for health care .. dont even get me started I just lost kaiser over 1 missed appointment in 9 years
sooo.. again jaded..
and 3999 heeeey thats 666E upside down
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@klytos, Vote in your own country of Aussieland. Voting counts, yes politics suck ass but if you dont vote don't bitch about the government. @kaldire- I like that Thomas Jefferson quote. However if they the founding fathers didnt stand up we would be ruled still by the british empire. If WE as Americans didn't save the world twice in the last Century we would be speaking German, the jews would be erased from the planet, and freedom would have died forever. Even a social Democracy like GB, France, and most of Europe is still a Democracy. Freedom is a good thing. I am free to disagree with whomever i please without reprisal and government intervention. Yes our gov isn't perfect and has many bad apples, but you Don't cut down the tree because of a few rotten apples. Vote men and women please it is too important not to! :)
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@ Everyone. Look i didnt mean to start a shit-storm here guys and gals. Voting is Important PEriod! Kaldire has his views and i respect and agree with a few points. I pay taxes therefore I vote. You don't pay taxes you go to jail. Its all i can do, and even if my party doesn't win i can say i voted. We all have to pay taxes in some form or another. Sure we all get screwed by them, but untill someone gets smart and flat taxes everyone at the same rate, the tax code will be fucked. We owe Way too much money to China and others. Look my folks taught me if you dont have enough money to pay cash for something, you save untill you do. Otherwise credit cards gets you in trouble, at least me anyway. LOL.
A few years back i lived in England and Germany. The cost of living there is twice what it is here. A decent meal out there is 50 dollars. My rent for a 1 room aptmnt was 1200 bucks a month. Why? Taxes are enormous there because of all the entitlements like free healthcare, schooling, etc. Sounds great untill you fork 7 out of 10 dollars of your paycheck to the government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
Chadly.
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I just voted. And since none of my candidates will win here, I decided to get me an xbox one with suset overdrive to make me fell better about living in a blue state. The game is awesome. Totally made up for everything. :)
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@Chadly (http://www.infamous-quests.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=31) thanks for at least understanding my views are mine!
and to mention this, I used to vote, but never did the "good hearted(hearted isnt a word shrug) and driven people toward betterment win ever" so I stopped voting as it seemed to make no diff, its a numbers game
and very nice points about standing up to the UK to become usa, but that was his point, you have to do drastic action to get drastic changes, not subtle long term changes.. though that does work in some arenas it rarely if ever works in government or politics
@chucklas (http://www.infamous-quests.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7) (hey bromie the @ thing doesnt work unless its at the start of the post???
anyway haha thanks for the laugh, I really dont like many games on xbox, xbox 360, nor xbox one
but I DO love that game!
and a handful of others, mind u im no SONY fanboy but they have far more rpgs which is my pref,
but again, great game, same as like some of the exclusives which there arent many for xbox series
I really loved the conker remake on xbox original..
but that was the only game i cared about on that one,
annnyway voting is important, I hoped that my post wouldn't be seen as DONT VOTE because kaldire doesn't
that was neeeeeever my intent, just shared an opinion with ya
and seems no matter who is president (or in congress or senate) that we wage war constantly and for no reason we dont need to get involved just the "let them eat war" mentality needs to go away.
as soon as I see anyone worthy of that vote, id vote but so far .. i don't.
odd enough I did vote Obama, now i regret it after he and his staff are again in the middle east for NO reason, let them sort their own mess, we did .. anyone remember the Spanish armada?
no?
lol
drastic... actions..
on that note .mi mi mi mii hope no one here takes my paradigm and adjusts theirs over it. But again I dont condone preaching or forcing anyone to do anything they dont want to.. and vice versa.
telling me im a bad person or wrong for not voting is just as bad imo as telling you to not vote which Id never doooo
ill leave you with this
I LOVE YOU ALLLLL
always n forever!
and here is a nice clip to ease the pain and give a nice tune and again the main reason I hate politics
war...
on drugs, on gays, on other countries, etc. all needs to vanish we are one HUMAN race, we should act like it in the distant future
Bad religion "LET THEM EAT WAR" with lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2lekU4bLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2lekU4bLE)
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A few years back i lived in England and Germany. The cost of living there is twice what it is here. A decent meal out there is 50 dollars. My rent for a 1 room aptmnt was 1200 bucks a month. Why? Taxes are enormous there because of all the entitlements like free healthcare, schooling, etc. Sounds great untill you fork 7 out of 10 dollars of your paycheck to the government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
Chadly.
my rent in the ghetto of sacramento is 1208$ a month
sooo its not more there from what I can see,
shrug and germany has a great system there, power grids transport etc, all A we are C and D for all that stuff
no joke, some third world countries out rank us its just odd and sick
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@kaldire ok your rent in sacramento is 1208 in the ghetto. When i lived in UK and Germany it was in a poor working class neighborhood. Yes they do have good public transport, schools, roads, healthcare, etc. But they pay for it in taxes. They come here or go to Spain for vacation and live it up. If our country is so fucked up then why do millions immigrate here each year? It is the land of milk and honey thats why! Also when i lived there over ten years ago, everything cost more period due to taxes. Europeans don't live like the average American. Voting is important its how you get heard. Unless you want to be the sheep and just go with the herd so to speak. Fuck may party may not win the election and if they do maybe nothing will change but at least i did my civic duty. I respect all views, this debate is why we have a Democracy and the right to speak our minds. Yes our gov is fucked up, only we can change it. :) Chadly
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@chadly I totally agree. When people complain about the government the first thing I ask them is if they voted. If they say no, I basically tell them to shut about it because if you don't vote, you lose the right to be upset/complain.
As for the rent thing, it almost always costs more to rent than to buy. For example, I could charge double my mortgage to rent my house. The issue is, only certain people have the credit/income to get loans. People really get screwed over when they have to rent.
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@chucklas (http://www.infamous-quests.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7) I agree paying rent sucks, however getting a 25 year mortgage after interest is mind-blowing. Sure id love to have a 1 million dollar house sitting on a 1000 acres in the Rockies. Can i afford that no, that and taxes are ridiculous.
I have decided to start my own political party. It's called the Smokers Party. You can smoke almost anywhere in Europe unless they have changed it. We will campaign to legalize Marijuana, tax it of course to those 18 and over. Hell lets just end the Drug War all together by legalizing everything in small amounts, bought at state stores and taxed. Never going to happen on this country or Anywhere, as the government makes too much money on forfitures and seizures of property. Thats about as liberal of an idea as I get, coming drom a guy who doesn;t use drugs. Chadly
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urmm are you aware that the Mexicans are now and have been leaving usa to go back to mexico as its becoming a better country than usa in some parts and our economy tanked? border control is now mostly Hindu and middle eastern people and Russians not much else..
if it came down to higher or insane 80+% taxes and free school, jobs, healthcare,transport, sitters for kids etc
id take the higher taxes its why i mentioned finland,
as for everything costs more, well ive traveled but never lived in other countries but ive been almost everywhere even the middle east AND russia,
I can tell you most of those govs SUCK so badly and kill people like murder just say for leaving a religion or hell if I said what I am now in most places like that id be took out and shot or hung
so I do love what usa STOOD for not what it STANDS for
but you have this backwards, the imagrants now, are coming from 3rd world countries to escape and live vs just to get better paying jobs etc
so again mexican workers and immagrants are at an all time low, with most going BACK to mexico even though they were citizens and not many mexicans are even wanting to cross our borders
I can say that south american and other central ameican countries are sending KIDS to our borders
but thats not the same thing,
its not due to a better econmy its to be safer than where they are and to eat
now.. the GBP (and id never live in uk) is worth almost 2 times a usd, hell canadian money is almost that too
so if I made 1000 GBP id buy stuff FROM AMERICA due to it costing HALF even WITH taxes
i think your math is way off on that
and as you said only WE can change it, do you think the revolutionary war would have been won without guns and fighting.. nope..
slavery ended with just legal means? nope..
in the end sure.. in the beginning you need to stand and fight as much as I dislike war the though process I hate to fight the system IS antithetic to my anti war belief.
I can put it this way
remember old nintendo games?
some players get a game, and die lots, what do they do
1. they keep playing the game..
2. they THROW the controller and or break the system
3. this is my option they press RESET and start OVER..
hehe
buuut come on mate, you said it WE change it not our gov..
if only I had the faith in a good system as you do I truly WISH that I did,
but again stuff here doesnt cost more just due to taxes (yes for California!) but go to Oregon.. no taxes on anything but higher land tax
so a uk person who buys something for 50 usd is paying 25GBP + shipping and no tax
unless they use ebay that is :P
but read up on immigration lately in usa, most are leaving and those that do come, are from india, middle east, or RUSSIA, those places are far worse than usa(though I actually liked india alot, really nice people there)
my dream places to live?
prolly japan (now THAT is high cost of living for rent but low for all other goods and great transport if you like being packed into a sub car with a stick!) lol
or New Zealand NORTH, in the tribal area (off the grid no games no power just a beach)
Foggia or Verona or with really nice cash id love to move with my family on Capri (google that one! originally my family is from Verona and moved to the isle of Capri actually anacapri isnt that a game?)
cost of living there is NUTS but yeaaaaa
no worries there
in italy well post sucks, mafia is half running the place gov is totally messed up randomly but at least there is culture, we dont have that, we do have history but not much on the culture just a mix of everyone's cultures and me no likey that..
bottom line, the high tax in exchange for all that free imo is better than lower tax and nothing free
in the end over in usa an avg person pays out THOUSANDS more than they would paying high taxes for say a home or school and jobs dont get me started our unemployment rate was insane until obama got in office and again i did vote for him, the 1st time, but war.. really.. aahhhh
read up on immigration lately in usa :P its really true what im saying about people leaving usa back to their own countries now that usa tanked, of course im sure that will change now that its going back up
thanks to our pres actually,
so yep voting DOES matter, but again i wont vote until someone is worth voting for .. and I dont see that this mid term nor in the near future.
(oh and I did vote on all the flip a districts for bill mahr )
@chucklas (http://www.infamous-quests.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7)
is this a joke?
everyone has a right to complain or that defeats freedom of speech,
me I say the gov sucks but Im not sitting here saying NOT TO VOTE, im confused how im now being attacked and told to shut up.. by a member of this team none the less WHAT chucklas? really?
I also had a mortgage and a home before my divorce and at that time the housing TANKED and we lost it, had 129K put into a house and lost it ALL, sooo
but yes mortgages always cost less no matter where you live.
but please, dont say shut up to me mate, I havent done so to you.. or anyone else here
just because I dont vote, you think I cant have a view about the country thats pretty closeminded and again almost preaching in reverse.
this is the exact reason my pops is right about not mentioning politics or religion and or sports
it makes good people conflict even when they like each other
I feel nothing but hate from a few of these posts and I mean direct hate to me not about my views.
kinda.. makes me sad I cant say ,. I dont vote and yes this place needs work.. yes .. yes I can say that without voting.
I vote NONE OF THE ABOVE..
sigh
this thread has almost destroyed my view of a few people here..
not sure how to take this,
shawn and now chuklas, at least chadly says I have the right to my own view .. im just so . sad I even added anything to this thread I should have just let it be.
WHEN SOMEONE is WORTH voting for.. I WILL
ill now stop posting on this thread and let you all be and leave with this
GO VOTE if you want! I ENCOURAGE IT also! But dont ya dare tell anyone they dont have a right to say usa is broken if they didnt vote,
thats just plain jane crazy chuklas now ill go frown that my mini family is bombarding me and telling me how to feel or what to say or not to..
sigh
jebus
I love ya all
seriously now knock it offfffffffffffffff
ty :)
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@kaldire I am sorry you took that as me telling you to shut up man. Not intended that way. I just feel like I personally can't complain unless I go out and voice my opinion. In politics, voting is my way to do it. I have a hard time hearing people upset with laws, etc. if they don't take part in the process. You have some solid opinions, and back them up, then you are doing your part. A lot of people do absolutely nothing, and voice almost no opinion. My comments are more directed to those people in general, not to anyone in particular.
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Voting is cool as is a difference of opinions. Period. Lets not shit on each other for contrasting views. Shit i started this thread to get people to Vote not rip each other to shreds over conflicting beliefs. Politics all suck as does the government but you can't change it by Not Voting or other drastic measures. Relax all and lets all remember why we come here to share ideas and great old games, the way they should be made! :)
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Hey Chadly, trust me, I vote here in Australia. I'm pretty vocal about voting and it's certainly something I feel strongly about. I know a lot of politicians personally and it bothers me a lot when people say they're all evil and out for themselves. Even those I disagree with completely are generally coming from a good place, they're just going about things the wrong way (in my opinion anyway!)
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I didn't vote. Too lazy. I can always jerk off while I read angry internet comments about it though. God bless America.
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Your vote only counts if you live in one of the swing states. ;) Thank you, Electoral College.
Yeah, I wish that would have been fixed already. It's a mess.
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Your vote only counts if you live in one of the swing states. ;) Thank you, Electoral College.
Yeah, I wish that would have been fixed already. It's a mess.
It does make sense from a "representative" form of government.
It could always be worse: not to repeat myself, but...
And I've heard that if we went by popular vote and not the Electoral College, only 4 states -- the most populous -- would matter: California, New York, Florida and Texas. ;)
At least ~12 states or so are important, Electorally speaking, IIRK from the discussions during the 2004 or 2008 election cycle...
Oh, let's be honest: in every modern election, the Electoral College gets dissed...
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In the end the old two party system of government always rules. If you are an independant you have no say can't vote in the primaries, which is stupid. We need some change not the same old shit where nothing gets done and the Status Quo rules. As for the Electorial college well that was implemented to keep large states with big poulations from running the country. Sadly it back-fired. Popular vote should determine the presidency. Taxes are too high for everything and some want even more to increase spending. Balance the budget till we get a surplus and then spend it. Republicans and Democrats thrive on bashing each other and nothing gets done sadly.......WE NEED A CHANGE. Chadly
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Ouch. I get it that I'm surrounded mostly by americans, but daaaamn, quite a lot of unnecessary shit towards EU and our systems. :/
If WE as Americans didn't save the world twice in the last Century we would be speaking German, the jews would be erased from the planet, and freedom would have died forever.
That's a pretty ballsy statement to take, considering my country and many many more countries in Eastern Europe were forced to be under the Iron Grip of Russia for more than 50 years with their shitty Soviet Union. >:( So to be correct***, you helped* save the western europe. And I think I, for one, am a good example that it's utter BS what you say about that "we would be speaking German", only sentence I can say in russian is "Sorry, but I don't speak russian." and yeah, my parents who actually lived in the Soviet Union can speak russian fairly fluently, but it's still their secondary (or even third) language, estonian and english are the primary ones.
I understand that my response may be the cause of some flame here, but even if I am alone, I can't just stand by silently.
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It does make sense from a "representative" form of government.
It could always be worse: not to repeat myself, but...
And I've heard that if we went by popular vote and not the Electoral College, only 4 states -- the most populous -- would matter: California, New York, Florida and Texas. ;)
At least ~12 states or so are important, Electorally speaking, IIRK from the discussions during the 2004 or 2008 election cycle...
Oh, let's be honest: in every modern election, the Electoral College gets dissed...
What should matter is not the states, but the majority of people. That's how I see it. Consider for example any new party - in the current system it's simply impossible for it to get any traction - the two dominant parties just drown them because of the Electoral College. With global popular voting, small parties would get cumulative result from all states and can actually start competing. The bottom line - Electoral College preserves current dual party status quo. Popular vote would make it more competitive and democratic (pun not intended).
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Certainly doesn't flame me DosboxLetsPlay, I also take exception to the Americans saved the world mantra.
The Americans were the last great power to enter the European conflict in the Second World War. They helped and certainly sped up the retaking of Europe, but they were far from the deciding factor in the European war. The British set the groundwork to winning the war early on by taking control of Northern Africa. Mechanised wars run on fuel, and the British beat the Italians then the Germans to the fuel reserves in Africa. They also held the straights of Gibraltar which meant they controlled the Mediterranean and the Germans couldn't get into Africa that way. The Soviets effectively won the Eastern Front single handed and by doing so kept the Germans out of the Russian oil fields. So in the long run, Germany was caught in a position where it couldn't sustain it's offensive. So America helped the war certainly, but they didn't "win" it by themselves by a long shot.
If America ever had a chance of speaking another language it would be French, not German, but that goes back to your war of independence.
BTW: If Americans ever want to know why the rest of the world looks at them with scorn, that sort of comment / attitude is one of the reasons.
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Lord, no flame there man - The United States was part of the Allied Forces in World War II, and that's and important thing to note - ALLIED FORCES. It was a combined effort of many military forces that helped bring and end to World War II.
BTW: If Americans ever want to know why the rest of the world looks at them with scorn, that sort of comment / attitude is one of the reasons.
Yeah. I see this kind of comment all too often, and I have to wonder - "Did you pay attention in history class when they taught this?" I went to public schools, myself! I didn't have a fancy education!
Bt
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Yes i did pay attention in history class. I know it was an Allied effort hence the Allies. I wasn't trying to be an American Egotist, however with out American supplies GB would have fallen to the Axis, we also gave supples to the Soviets after Germany attacked them. Hitler made the same mistake Napolean did by invading Russia, because he had to get oil for fuel from the Caucasuses. After the War, who financed the rebuilding of Europe?
So everyone please dont be pissed at me for those comments. History is history. Chadly
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History is history, but the interpretation of history so the USA is the saviour of the universe (ah, ahhhh!) is not accurate. I don't like to argue this because it makes me sound like I hate America or want to diminish it's achievements (and I'm not one of the trendy-left who hate on America because it's cool or something...) but exaggeration of achievements is just as bad as ignoring them. (And please, forgive the Flash Gordon reference...)
Great Britain didn't fall because of the Battle of Britain of which the American influence was 7 pilots. The US Lend-Lease assistance didn't begin until the act passed congress in 1941, the battle of Britain was decided in 1940. The poms surviving against the German bombing is the main reason the Americans enacted the Lend-Lease legislation, not the other way around.
And yes, America DID take care of a lot of European rebuilding post-war. The US and Canada were the only two industrialized countries not damaged by the war. Other countries did their share too though. Australia for example had control over Indonesia, Papua and New Guinea and a number of Pacific islands which cost us financially as well on a per capita basis although maybe not in the area of America's $17 billion into the Marshall plan. And the Soviets didn't accept any aid in rebuilding either the Soviet Union or Eastern Europe. But the Marshall plan wasn't just altruism either, it was aimed at rebuilding Europe as a buffer against further Soviet expansion (a theme familiar for the remainder of the 20th century). Greece and Turkey were the first recipients of Marshall Plan assistance and it's interesting to note the governments there were fighting against communist factions trying to seize control.
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I get all my history from Youtube videos. But nothing over 5 minutes long; I've got shit to do.
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Look i am only pointing out history, as you say it is open to interpretation. I am Not trying to be an ignorant arrogant American asshole here folks. :) As i see it in 50 years the USA will cease to be a super power with the industrial rise of China and South east Asia. The world could have stopped Hitler in 33 but chose not to the the demise of 100 million people sadly. Most Americans at that time were isolationists. We didnt get into the war until 1941 when we were attacked. Chadly
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So everyone please dont be pissed at me for those comments. History is history. Chadly
I'm not pissed at ya, Chadly - I think we're having an interesting discussion!
I do know that history as taught in our American School DEFINITELY has a US bias to it - I mean, for instance, our Revolutionary War? It's funny how other countries view that conflict as compared to us.
In a global sense, that war ended because the British were more interested in fighting the French than the colonies, not that we had some glorious victory.
Honestly, the closest thing we had to a glorious victory wouldn't come until 1814 when Andrew Jackson led the Battle of New Orleans!
Bt
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I do know that history as taught in our American School DEFINITELY has a US bias to it - I mean, for instance, our Revolutionary War? It's funny how other countries view that conflict as compared to us.
Bt
THIS!! History depends on who wrote it and who was telling the story. From one side things look one way, and on the other the same story looks totally different.
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I get all my history from Youtube videos. But nothing over 5 minutes long; I've got shit to do.
I get my history from the "Hitler Reacts To..." videos.
MAN, that guy had a lot to say! He truly was a modern day Nostradamus.
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I'm not pissed at you, just pointing out that the basic premise of your arguments are wrong. You stated that America was the reason the war was won in Europe. Sorry, that's just not correct. The only way it could be interpreted as such is if you left half the facts out of the argument.
All this talk of Europe makes me want to watch Band of Brothers again.
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I do think that it's fair to say that America's entry into the war in Europe during WWII was an important turning point though. I don't care enough to back that statement up with any further explanation though, so I'll just leave it here for Klytos to stew over.
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America entering the European conflict: Have you all ever heard the notion that Churchill was so desperate to get America into the war, we simply refused his pleas, he had the Lusitania sunk to piss us off and forcing us to join in?
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@klytos How are my premises wrong exactly? Did GB or any other Allies invade France before we did in '44?
The US had a huge industrial base to call upon. Even the Japanese stated after they bombed Pearl Harbor "we have awakend the sleeping giant". We spent damn near a trillion dollars in that War defending the World from tyrants and Scum. My grandkids will still be paying for it. Yes i agree that history taught here in the U.S.A may have a pro U.S. slant if you will. I am not as stated before trying to be a ignorant arrogant American. I still firmly beleive had Hitler not been a meglomaniac and invaded Russia, there was the chance that the Nazi's would have won. The USA hasn't been invaded in 200 years and is surrounded by two relatively friendly and militarily weak countries. I am not a history professor but do enjoy history very much. Chadly :)
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If WE as Americans didn't save the world twice in the last Century we would be speaking German, the jews would be erased from the planet, and freedom would have died forever.
That is wrong, lock stock and two smoking barrels.
Firstly, split the war into the two theaters because I'm talking about Europe here, not the Pacific. America did the heavy lifting in the Pacific for a number of reasons, including the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour.
But the allies were already on the offensive against the Germans in the second world war before the Americans joined the fight. To say that America saved Europe is wrong. Without US intervention, the USSR would have been enough to crush Germany but we'd have had a totally different map of Europe. American intervention shortened WW2 and also put constraints on Soviet expansionism, who went from ally to enemy within a minute of the retaking of Germany.
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If WE as Americans didn't save the world twice in the last Century we would be speaking German, the jews would be erased from the planet, and freedom would have died forever.
That is wrong, lock stock and two smoking barrels.
Firstly, split the war into the two theaters because I'm talking about Europe here, not the Pacific. America did the heavy lifting in the Pacific for a number of reasons, including the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour.
But the allies were already on the offensive against the Germans in the second world war before the Americans joined the fight. To say that America saved Europe is wrong. Without US intervention, the USSR would have been enough to crush Germany but we'd have had a totally different map of Europe. American intervention shortened WW2 and also put constraints on Soviet expansionism, who went from ally to enemy within a minute of the retaking of Germany.
This...
I love you Shawn. :D
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Hah, I feel the love.
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@dosplaybox- What country do you call home? @klytos- Friend we have a difference of views obviously. The Soviets lost 20 million men fighting the Germans vs the US at 400000. Without supplies from the USA the Allies wouldn't have won. The Germans invaded Russia and broke the Warsaw pact because Hitler was a Egomaniac bent on Aryan Supremacy, that and he need the oil from the Caucasuses. The the War was won as an Allied invasion of France, with the Soviets coming in from the East. If the Soviets hadn't turned the tide at Stalingrad/St. Petersburg then who knows what would have happend.
Also to refer to an earliar comment about the USA speaking French due to their help the American Rev War that help didn't come till 1781 towards the end of the war. If GB had wanted to they could have crushed us, but had other interests in their Empire around the Globe. They could have done it again during the War of 1812. Chadly
P.S. This isnt a free for all on how The USA is the greatest country in the World, but frankly it is!:) ;)
All joking aside their is much to be learned from history and those who don't study it are forced to repeat it.
The USA has many faults but many great things about it as well.....Nuff said.
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But the allies were already on the offensive against the Germans in the second world war before the Americans joined the fight. To say that America saved Europe is wrong. Without US intervention, the USSR would have been enough to crush Germany but we'd have had a totally different map of Europe. American intervention shortened WW2 and also put constraints on Soviet expansionism, who went from ally to enemy within a minute of the retaking of Germany.
Well yes and no. While America's role in WWI is not that significant in comparison to what Britain and France did, WWII is a different matter. Germany had beaten back the Allies. France and many other European nations had fallen and Britain had been driven off of the continent at Dunkirk only to face being pounded by the Blitz. True They eventually broke the Blitz, but in no small part by being supplied by the US and those Merchant ships did face the threat of the U-boats. This is not at all to diminish the heroic role of the Spitfire pilots in this part of the war.
The US also was heavily supplying China (the Flying Tigers) and as mentioned, the Soviet Union (one small quibble, the Warsaw Pact was and artifact of the Cold War and was not formed until 1954). And this was before America's official entry into the war after Pearl Harbor. Then on D-Day, the Americans faced the brunt of the German forces and by that suffered the heaviest casualties.
Again, I am not saying that the rest of Allies did little or paid no costs, just that it is as inaccurate to diminish America's role as it is to disregard that of Britain's. Every nation involved paid a terribly heavy price.
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@Chadly (http://www.infamous-quests.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=31)
Ahh, you seem to have misspelled my name there, but you can very well see from my profile page that I'm from Mordavia. :D
But in all seriousness, it's Estonia.
The Soviets lost 20 million men fighting the Germans vs the US at 400000.
Well that's an easy thing to answer. The Soviets didn't give a damn about casualties, many people lost their lives by being naught but cannon fodder (it was probably like that for many countries, but especially for the soviets).
All joking aside their is much to be learned from history and those who don't study it are forced to repeat it.
The USA has many faults but many great things about it as well.....Nuff said.
Yep. *cough* Few years back *cough* a certain financial crisis. *cough*
(Throws oil into fire) xD
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The US wasn't supplying the Allies at the point of the blitz. As I said earlier, the lend-lease act didn't happen in the US until after the blitz had been turned back.
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Take a look at this.
http://imgur.com/r/funny/DKs7Mto (http://imgur.com/r/funny/DKs7Mto)
Bt
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Hah, seen that before. Love it.
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I stumbled upon it yesterday, and I thought it was appropriate.
Heh.
Bt
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@kaldire I am sorry you took that as me telling you to shut up man. Not intended that way. I just feel like I personally can't complain unless I go out and voice my opinion. In politics, voting is my way to do it. I have a hard time hearing people upset with laws, etc. if they don't take part in the process. You have some solid opinions, and back them up, then you are doing your part. A lot of people do absolutely nothing, and voice almost no opinion. My comments are more directed to those people in general, not to anyone in particular.
Well chuklas, its ok you believe in a system that I REALLY did used to believe in.
but the paradigm that you hold so dear doesnt pertain to our modern thinking public in usa anymore
did you catch the latest bill maher real time? it explained why 22-25% only voted (which implies you think 75% of americans cant voice they dont like the way stuff is ran.
1. You were speaking in general terms yes, but that is aimed at EVERYONE, even me, since I am the general public
2. You are sooo wrong(but im not one to try to change your belief system and I should try as bt and many others have said in the past to not take things personally even if they are intended that way in a generalization, sorry you should watch the newest bill maher episode, it shows why people didnt vote and wont ever.. even for president
(reason is that most people polled either)
a. work 2-3 jobs and have 1-3 kids and are single, and use public transport and dont have TIME to get to vote
b. it takes loads to vote these days, blood sample, hair sample, first born child etc lol
c. the lower class (as there is not really a middle class in usa anymore, doesnt feel the government is even worth the trouble of getting involved in. They dont care about the lower class, none of em.
so the people who won, dont believe in global warming etc
22-25% only voted, lowest since 1925..
anyway, most people either dont want to vote because the gov they know doesnt help them and or they are just to busy being lower class and trying to survive, which comes first
so in essence you are saying that the single divorced mum that has 2 kids and 2 jobs and takes a bus has to either take time out to vote or shut up about the gov? idk
watch that real time episode that just aired! sheds some light on why most didnt and never will vote
and again id love to see sacramentos gov as president but people claim he is to old pfft
whatteverrr
anyway
love ya all, keep that in mind :P