Infamous Quests
The Games => Quest for Infamy => Topic started by: sickfiction on July 03, 2012, 08:11:28 AM
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What class did everyone pick first? Did Ian charm you with his slick patter? Did Kurdt persuade you to kick some beast's ass or did the pentagramishness of Prospero draw you to the mystic side?
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I played through the sorcerers path, the first time I completed the demo. Prosperos house is so assuming, if you will, that you simply could not just walk past, so I went in and I really liked the fellow, and it was pretty straight forward from there, really.
The sorcerers path was, in my opinion, the easiest, while the brigands path had some nasty posers...
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I played thru the brigands path first, then rogues, and finally the sorcerers. Great demo all the way thru! cant wait for the expanded demo and the full game!!!! :) Also anybody find my plea to save Flubber funny?
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Rogue
I love sneaking around and stealthily accomplishing my goals instead of using brute force or utilizing supernatural forces. I'll admit I was a little bummed that we didn't get to use any spells or use any thief-like skills in the demo but I understand that there was quite a bit of crunch time in the preparation stages.
But either way, I went with the Sorcerer next and then finally the Brigand.
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Weird thing is, I always play the magic user in role playing games, but I ended up playing a Brigand first time around. I have no idea why, but I completely forgot about Prospero's shop and ended up just heading to the pub, but then that's a typically English thing to do, when it doubt, go to the pub. What makes this weird is that I rarely play as a fighter. When I can't use Magic, I play the sneaky role.
So second time, I did Sorcerers and then finally Rogue.
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Though I always enjoy the rogue stile of life ,I made a stop at Prosperos first. I really couldn't resist that :)
Second stop ,lets go for a drink .
I think I'm going to have a serious dilemma on what class I'll start the game !
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To tell you the truth, I haven't completed a single playthrough of the demo. I got the brigand quest, but haven't completed it. I probably should load it up and finish.
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I did choose rogue but tbh I wan't really aware that I was choosing anything
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I too went to Prospero's house first--couldn't resist (plus his voice! Wow.)--but a magic user really isn't my thing. I'm always the Thief, dunno what that says about me but it's always my favorite. ;) Anyway, I did the wizard route first, but like someone else said, I didn't really know I was "choosing" a class at the time. Of course after that, I saw the pub and immediately had to go there but never got past the Drunk game, so I headed out to help out the Thief instead. Probably will go that route when the game comes out--I've already got my eye on a few houses in the village to pillage. ;)
Sarah
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I did choose rogue but tbh I wan't really aware that I was choosing anything
Haha that's the beauty of it! Go where your curiosity takes you, you can always say no...
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I did choose rogue but tbh I wan't really aware that I was choosing anything
Haha that's the beauty of it! Go where your curiosity takes you, you can always say no...
There's just one problem with that. Years of playing role playing games (and MMO's) have brainwashed me into saying yes to everything quest related.
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There's just one problem with that. Years of playing role playing games (and MMO's) have brainwashed me into saying yes to everything quest related.
I actually agree with this. I had the same issue the first time through. It's not at all apparent that you're making a game-altering choice until after you've made it. At least when choosing the 3 paths in Fate of Atlantis, there was a lot of dialog building up to one decision, and you could save right there and do something again. The problem is that your choice is pretty much locked in once you talk to one of those guys after the execution, yet you don't know that until you try to go see the others and can't. On top of that, the only one who really directly tells you to talk to him after the execution is Kurdt. Not a huge deal, but it could be tweaked to be more clear. It's certainly not like it takes a lot of play time to get back to that point though. :)
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I usually play the thief but in this case played through as the sorcerer first. I like the idea that you decide your path in a the context of story, but agree with others, it should be slightly clearer that you are making a game altering decision.
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Save early, save often, friends! Go back and try something else if you don't like where you're headed, eh? EH?
Bt
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Save early, save often, friends! Go back and try something else if you don't like where you're headed, eh? EH?
Bt
And normally, I would agree with that--and like I said, it doesn't eat up a ton of game time--but it might be nice to at least have the option to actually activate all three "quests," and then whoever you end up giving the monster part to--that would dictate your choice. The main nitpick I have is that the other two quest paths are closed off to you as SOON as you talk to one of the three characters, not after you finish the quest. I'd like to have been able to talk to each character, get their proposals, and then decide which one to help--that seems the more logical solution to me.
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I'd like to have been able to talk to each character, get their proposals, and then decide which one to help--that seems the more logical solution to me.
I like this idea and think as well the other two being annoyed and suspcious of you could be on the consequences if you did promise the item to all three. Anyway the demo rocks regardless and the idea of choosing your path as part of the story is great.
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I'd like to have been able to talk to each character, get their proposals, and then decide which one to help--that seems the more logical solution to me.
I like this idea and think as well the other two being annoyed and suspcious of you could be on the consequences if you did promise the item to all three. Anyway the demo rocks regardless and the idea of choosing your path as part of the story is great.
Agreed. I like the idea of it affecting their disposition towards you, too. Cool.
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I'd like to have been able to talk to each character, get their proposals, and then decide which one to help--that seems the more logical solution to me.
I like this idea and think as well the other two being annoyed and suspcious of you could be on the consequences if you did promise the item to all three. Anyway the demo rocks regardless and the idea of choosing your path as part of the story is great.
Agreed. I like the idea of it affecting their disposition towards you, too. Cool.
You can always refuse if it doesn't suit you, can you not go back later if you change your mind?
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Brigand first! It was the drinking game that drew me in... I totally figured out a "system" that beats it every time... except the last mug of ale! I'm on to the other paths, now that I've figured out where the inflection point in the plot lies.
Good thing I saved so much... old habits! I've got one saved right after [spoilers] so that it's easy to choose any path I wish. Loving the demo, the voices, the little details, the shout-outs to other games, pop culture & genre fiction, ribald jokes, and of course, all the little digs & insults aimed at me. Erm... at Roehm, I meant.
:)
Pretty sure I'm in the target audience!
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Heh. Glad you liked it, sir.... very happy that you did indeed.
Bt
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I am indecisive since I think that every class has its charm. Well I'll be damned Infamous Quests, I might have to play the game 3 times ;)
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I am indecisive since I think that every class has its charm. Well I'll be damned Infamous Quests, I might have to play the game 3 times ;)
Trust me, that won't be a bad thing!
Bt
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We should come up with some sort of special extended material that only happens for people starting on their FOURTH playthrough! ;)
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Secret class? Weird.... you don't say....
Bt
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A sort of QfG2-paladin?
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Goodness, no paladins!
Bt
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Goodness, no paladins!
Bt
What's a Paladin???
Sorry, but I had to say that
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I think a MacGyver class would be the bomb!
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I think a MacGyver class would be the bomb!
Ba-dum-chick!
He'll be here all week, people! Try the veal!
Bt
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How about a secret "quantum leap" class. MR Roehm could go back in time changing things that once went wrong, one day hoping that the next leap would be the leap home!!!! OR maybe a "Indiana Jones" class, but a bad womenizing drunk!
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I just meant the QfG-paladin as an example how a 4th class could be integrated in the game. That you have to accomplish something beyond "just" beating the game
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Heh. I know what you meant, totally Roger.
I don't want to give away anything. So I won't. Neener neener.
Bt
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Well, the opposite of paladin is blackguard... but that might run counter to the premise. Roehm would really have to be a nasty dude indeed; i.e., evil, thusly insane, hence back to the premise of the game as stated ages ago.
Hm. Perhaps a some sort of immoral bard. What would a villainous bard even be... a politician?
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Well, the opposite of paladin is blackguard... but that might run counter to the premise. Roehm would really have to be a nasty dude indeed; i.e., evil, thusly insane, hence back to the premise of the game as stated ages ago.
Hm. Perhaps a some sort of immoral bard. What would a villainous bard even be... a politician?
I know who this would be, Keith Richards, Axl Rose, Bob Dylan, Tommy Lee would be good choices for the villainous Bards. As for the politicians any would fit the role!!!! Politicians all suck ass in my thoughts, hence in another thread i called them "shit shovellers." :P
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Villainous Bards. That's my band name.
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Villainous Bards. That's my band name.
Dunno, I'm kinda digging "The Shit Shovellers"... we'd be a post-punk revival, roots rock fusion band.
"This one goes out to all you angsty farm hands!"
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Great lets all start a new band. S_d and Lam and be the musicians and i will be PR head. But on a serious note Your band "Villainous Bards" sounds cool!!!!! So does the "Shit Shollevers"! I get the credit for the name, but sadly i found it in the John! lol :D
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Hm. Perhaps a some sort of immoral bard. What would a villainous bard even be... a politician?
Even Roehm would not be as evil as politicians
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I played as a Rogue the first time, but I've seen the Sorcerer's path, and I expect that I know where the Brigand's path leads.
I really enjoyed the choices, and I will complete each path eventually.
As for a fourth class, that would be interesting to see. I can imagine an affiliation with that mysterious nameless character.
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I think a cool fourth class would be something like a Bard, where your primary tool was your personality and ability to talk your way past situations that other characters would have to fight, sneak, or magick their way through. The class would have specific new dialog choices in most conversations that aren't available to the other characters, and a number of situations would be resolved through dialog puzzles that required you to think logically about your responses and gauge NPC emotions/attitude towards you in order to succeed. The character would be below average at combat, would have some basic magic skills, possibly centered around charm or guile spells that could be class-specific, and would be able to negotiate better prices at shops than any other class. Class specific plot scenarios could involve the character being invited into events or situations that were off-limits to other characters, perhaps to entertain Rayford and his guests for example, and could play music (a lute maybe?) to calm monsters and avoid combat encounters.
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Ah, yes! Modified dialogue tree, just for him. Perhaps the additional dialogue options are coloured differently to stand out; perhaps if you can raise your stats enough, then multiple improved dialogue options become visible as well. Brilliant, Lambonius!
Hmm... I'm seeing the sneaky bard now, in my mind's eye. In the case of Rayford slaying you on the spot (or sending you to the town square for beheading) you'd instead end up in the brig, by using your silvered tongue to save your life. Then, you'd need to talk Jan into letting you out for some reason (and complete a Jan quest to avoid later recapture). Perhaps none of your tricks work on Prospero; he's wearing a talisman of some sort that cuts through. Also, perhaps Rayford is particularly keen, so you mustn't conduct discourse with him directly, but through intermediary characters.
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Ah, yes! Modified dialogue tree, just for him. Perhaps the additional dialogue options are coloured differently to stand out; perhaps if you can raise your stats enough, then multiple improved dialogue options become visible as well. Brilliant, Lambonius!
Hmm... I'm seeing the sneaky bard now, in my mind's eye. In the case of Rayford slaying you on the spot (or sending you to the town square for beheading) you'd instead end up in the brig, by using your silvered tongue to save your life. Then, you'd need to talk Jan into letting you out for some reason (and complete a Jan quest to avoid later recapture). Perhaps none of your tricks work on Prospero; he's wearing a talisman of some sort that cuts through. Also, perhaps Rayford is particularly keen, so you mustn't conduct discourse with him directly, but through intermediary characters.
Yeah, good ideas! The trick, I think, is keeping the bard feeling distinct enough from the Rogue. So you wouldn't really want him to be able to pick locks (beyond maybe the most basic lock) and sneak much. He doesn't need to in most cases--he can charm his way in. :)
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The Bard would be an interesting way to go. I'd love to hear all of the songs he could learn to play.
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I'm liking the bard idea. Sounds cool. I'd certainly try my hand at it.
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The Bard would be an interesting way to go. I'd love to hear all of the songs he could learn to play.
I like the idea of the bard being able to learn different songs--but it's just like the idea of a "sneaky" bard--you have be careful. If you have a character who can learn a multitude of songs that he can use in different settings at will, then the character is functionally a mage, just swapping "songs" for "spells."
I'd keep the music thing as a general skill that can be used more like an item. It's helpful in certain situations, but the bard is a smart guy--he already knows the best song to use for a given scenario. I wouldn't leave it up to player choice.
The ultimate goal would be a class that feels just as distinct from the classic three as they do from each other. I would argue that the Paladin from QFG, while cool, didn't succeed in this regard, as it was basically just a fighter with a few unique plot scenarios and "spells."
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I loved the paladin in QFG. Of course, I also agree that it's just a fighter with spells. But, that is also what a paladin IS. A bard can have "spells" in the form of songs, but they'd most likely fit as more of a social enhancer than actual combat spells. There could also be some overlap in the "utility" aspect, but I could see the bard as a distinct class, too.
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I agree that the Paladin always felt like an extension of the Fighter in QfG. I never really thought of it as a class on it's own.
I can see the Bard as fitting into the 4th mold well, maintaining a distinct identity from the other 3. Charisma, communication, and the knowledge of music and mood could take this character far.
I also see what you're getting at with the songs and spells. That could indeed be an issue. Perhaps each song could be played on a variety of instruments, or in a few different keys, and you'd have to choose the right combination to achieve the necessary tones. Play a bad note and risk death! Just a thought, but I'm sure you've got plenty of your own.
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If you're a bard in a game like QFI, you demand that every song be played in B#.
Bt
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Perhaps each song could be played on a variety of instruments, or in a few different keys, and you'd have to choose the right combination to achieve the necessary tones. Play a bad note and risk death! Just a thought, but I'm sure you've got plenty of your own.
Hahaha! Now there's an idea I like--the traveling bard with an arsenal of different instruments. He'd be a one man band--tuba slung over his shoulder, lute on his back, maracas in his belt. What a sight! ;)
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If you're a bard in a game like QFI, you demand that every song be played in B#.
Bt
And you kill people outright for requesting Freebird.
And let's not forget the magic of E#, too.
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The finest of keys. B# and E#. The worst of keys? Cb and Fb, of course. Those flat keys can go screw themselves with an old spoon.
This bard class is treading dangerously close to a "Hippie"!
Bt
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Perhaps each song could be played on a variety of instruments, or in a few different keys, and you'd have to choose the right combination to achieve the necessary tones. Play a bad note and risk death! Just a thought, but I'm sure you've got plenty of your own.
Hahaha! Now there's an idea I like--the traveling bard with an arsenal of different instruments. He'd be a one man band--tuba slung over his shoulder, lute on his back, maracas in his belt. What a sight! ;)
Now that is a sight that I'd love to see. Roehm carrying a crapton of instruments around.
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Perhaps as a Bard Roehm could "make" his own lute as a quest in the game. :) A hidden class in the game would be very cool but needs more substance then the paladin of QFG. As stated above he (the bard) needs to be snarky, cunning, charming and be a master of instruments. (like the guitar so ge could be a master of puppets! ;))
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Another funny aspect of Roehm as a bard would be the idea that he'd turn his own deeds into songs and stories--told with ridiculous boasting and exaggeration. There'd be a lot of humor potential in something like that. :)
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I know IQ's next game could be "Stoners Quest: Roehm's search for Weed". He plays a Weed smoking LSD tripping hippy that lsitens to Gratefull Dead music. :) LOL. Just kidding folks, but i think its a cool idea for a game.
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tuba slung over his shoulder, lute on his back, maracas in his belt. What a sight! ;)
Tuba!?
:P
While it'd be an amusing sight, perhaps something a little more compact. A pan flute, perhaps?
I like your idea of having Roehm know the right song for the situation. It allows for a lot more in the way of story.
If you guys decide to pursue the Bard as a fourth path, I'd be very interested in seeing the result.
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Roehm plays only the oboe.
Bt
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An oboe would actually be awesome.
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I know! That's why he plays it!
In all fairness, this discussion has been really awesome, though. You guys have a lot of cool ideas.
Bt
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Yup. Us fans of QFI are all awesome with great ideas for the game! So make us a fantastic game BT and company! :) Also release the Demo 2.0 pretty please with sugar on top! LOL.
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Yeah, and just to clarify, I'm really just an art guy--I have no deep knowledge of the inner workings of QFI's plot or puzzles. So all the stuff I've been throwing out there really is just my own thoughts, unrelated to the inner workings of Blackthorne's ideas for the game.
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Yes, Lambonius i at least know you are an art person and have no idea of BT's inner workings for the game. Art is good as i don't want a text adventure game. QFI has to have pictures, graphics, puzzles and great game play. Not the old, "you see a door in front of you." :)
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The art is amazing. I've seen a few of the art assets, and the depth of discussion that goes into getting them just right. The people on the art team are incredibly talented, and the ideas going into the art are as intricate and detailed as the art itself. I think it's equal parts game concept and artist imagination, which really brings the world and characters to life. You won't be disappointed.
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Heh. Thanks, Nidoking. I know our art team takes a lot of pride in what they do.
Chadly, of course we're going to release demo v 2.0!
Bt
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Heh. Thanks, Nidoking. I know our art team takes a lot of pride in what they do.
Yep. Some days it's all the rest of the team can do to stand us! What with us walking around in our black greaser jackets, constantly puffing out our chests and reapplying our pomade.
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Heh. Thanks, Nidoking. I know our art team takes a lot of pride in what they do.
Yep. Some days it's all the rest of the team can do to stand us! What with us walking around in our black greaser jackets, constantly puffing out our chests and reapplying our pomade.
Oh yeah, what do the music and programmers think of you slick guys? :) And BT please release Demo 2.0 ASAP! Sooner rather than later. My GF and family will thank-You. ;D
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Oh yeah, what do the music and programmers think of you slick guys? :) And BT please release Demo 2.0 ASAP! Sooner rather than later. My GF and family will thank-You. ;D
The music guys are inspired by us, and the programmer is too busy to have an opinion. ;)
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Ok here is an idea for QFI. Since Mr. Roehm is an infamous dude he should have a quest like this: Instead of rescueing a damsel in distress, he should kidnap and feed the damsel to the beast or dragon. Half-way thru he changes his mind and "rescues" her. Or not. He could then make it look like that asshole Rayford set it up and be a "hero". Maybe Kit could be the damsel or Rayford's wife. ;)
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Interesting idea... take the trope of "the person you have just rescued is completely insufferable and you think the world might be better off if the rescue is a failure" and assign it to a main character who has the option of deciding to make it so.
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Exactly Nidoking. :) Plus it sounds like something Roehm would do as a "infamous" character, since he has questionable morals and ethics.