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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 23, 2014, 05:47:25 PM »

Ya, but it wasn't put back up for you, it was put up for the people wanted to play the entire series. Or those who wanted to replace their copy and play it again.

But how large is that group?

As for waiting for sales, etc. If you always wait for the sales, then Sony, Microsoft, or whomever aren't really making their products for you.  It goes both ways man.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 23, 2014, 05:39:28 PM »

yes enough people for the companies to meet demand

again this is odd coming from a person involved in making a retro style game dude
lol

sheesh?

Just because I helped to program a retro-style game doesn't mean I believe they are going to make enough money to pay the bills.  I also work a full time job.  No chance I quit it to go into the retro gaming industry.  Not enough interest there.  I am part of the team here because I love the genre and the games.  But even then, I am not going to pay full price to be able to play them.  When I got my sierra games from GOG, I waited for a damn good sale because I wasn't willing to pay full price for them and I am a dedicated fan.  There really isn't enough interest dude.  It's not me just saying "prove it."  I just don't agree that there is enough interest, because if there was, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  Yes, there is money to be made, but not enough for it to be a priority.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 23, 2014, 05:35:22 PM »

I would love to play Metal Gear Solid for nostalgia, but I am not willing to pay for that ability.  I would rather put my money towards a new experience.  I am guessing I am in the vast majority.  Sure most people WANT it, but they aren't going to PAY for it.

Uh dude where have you been, its already up in the store it was rereleased as part of the Metal Gear Solid collection, but can be bought independently from the digital store.

http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-Collection-Playstation-3/dp/B00CTKHXFO

Hell, it even comes with emulated versions of the NES Metal Gears (except for the US Metal Gear 2 that Hideo Kojima didn't have part in)

Bad example, but it illustrates my point even better.  I LOVED that game, yet I have never even attempted to go back and play it, or even find out if I could.  Now that I know, I still am not likely ever going to play it, especially if I have to pay for it.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 23, 2014, 01:32:47 PM »

people wanted PS1 classics...people will want more PS2 classics...people will want more PS3 classics.

Yes, but HOW MANY people?  Enough to make it worth it financially?  If it were, they would be doing it.

I would love to play Metal Gear Solid for nostalgia, but I am not willing to pay for that ability.  I would rather put my money towards a new experience.  I am guessing I am in the vast majority.  Sure most people WANT it, but they aren't going to PAY for it. 

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 23, 2014, 12:15:45 PM »

era of the comebacks.. aka games and movies revamped or the nostalgia of old games coming back full force.. = money and demand.. is high

This is what I am still not sure on.  Yes, it appears that demand is high, but is there real data to support that claim?  I can go to certain sites and see that there are people asking for it, but are they more of a vocal minority?  I am guessing that the actual demand is much lower than what you think it is. 

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 22, 2014, 01:20:34 PM »

I'd certainly pay for that official chipless PS2 emulator that was already made for PS3, but removed in latest versions. Might even play up to $100 bucks for it. Especially if it might increase the chances of those games going digital in the future.

You are in the minority there.  How many people would pay $100 more for their PS3 or XBOX One for that ability/emulator?  Not enough.

Bt hit it on the head.  It is purely business.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 22, 2014, 12:43:49 PM »

For example, I am looking forward to the new Grim Fandango, but it is the SAME game.  Should I move on and enjoy the newer version or just play the old version that I have? 

Not all digital 'enhanced' remakes are the same.

I totally agree and understand.  I was specifically referring to Grim Fandango and from all accounts, it appears to be a 1:1 remake with a hopefully better interface for the player.  I am guessing it will play just like the monkey island remakes.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 22, 2014, 12:34:06 PM »

More to my point though is that the hardware of the time of VHS could not display the quality we have today with Blu-Ray.  So, would you rather have the old version, copied from VHS, that is an inferior quality to begin with, or would you rather have the optimized version of a movie that has been released at a higher quality because the technology is now available?   

**FYI, I am not expressing any view here, but I am interested in the conversation that can be had

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 22, 2014, 12:23:12 PM »

Fair enough on the old hardware point.  I agree that digital is a better route to go for long term preservation.  I just don't think there is enough interest to force the hand of big companies to do it for us.  It takes those who are interested in finding ways to make it work.  To put the demand on Microsoft or Sony or whomever isn't the solution either. 

As for the expensive titles, those are few and far between.  I am referring to the hardware which there tends to be thousands of machines laying around gathering dust.  Most still work and are inexpensive.

Why do I like to watch old movies? Because I like to, sometime the classics are the best! No one has found a way to top them!

Just to connect the old movies to the issue of backwards compatibility, when DVDs came out, they couldn't play VHS tapes.  People either kept their old stuff or moved on.  They even made machines that would take both.  There was no "backwards compatibility."  Now, to be fair, Blu-Ray players can play DVDs, but will this always be the case?  Or will some other upgrade render old DVDs obsolete? 

Or, better yet, if they can improve the quality of a movie by releasing it on Blu-Ray, then why would you want to watch the inferior version of the same movie?  This can open the conversation into re-releases of media such as movies, games, etc.  For example, I am looking forward to the new Grim Fandango, but it is the SAME game.  Should I move on and enjoy the newer version or just play the old version that I have?  I gladly purchased the Halo Masterchief collection.  One of the reasons was the remastered version of Halo 2.  It is fantastic.  Would I ever go back and play Halo 2 on my first gen xbox?  Not a chance.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 22, 2014, 11:56:36 AM »

At the end of the day, I go back to my original post in this thread.  For those who want to go back and replay old games, if you hang on to old hardware, you can do it no problem.  Yes, as things get older they may stop working, etc.  There isn't ENOUGH support of older titles (yes, there are some people, albeit a small percentage) to force the hand of companies to provide backwards compatibility.  For that small percentage, if your hardware breaks, it really isn't that expensive to pick up an old console.  You can get almost ANY old game system for a fraction of the price of what it would have been when it came out.  I really don't see what the fuss is all about to be honest.  I have NEVER had any system break at any point in my life.  The NES I had is the only one that had an issue, but I was able to swap out the pin connector for less than $10 and it works as good as new.  If you want to play an old game, use the old hardware.  Most people play old titles for nostalgia, and it makes the experience more authentic as well.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 21, 2014, 04:44:33 PM »

My Wii-U (it was a day one black 32GB model) is backwards compatible.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 19, 2014, 11:44:15 AM »

My point about PC and backwards compatibility is that as the hardware changes, the software has to change as well.  That is why we get new operating systems.  It just doesn't look like video games because there aren't official releases for the next generation PC.  That doesn't change the fact that certain older programs just wont work with new hardware.  It isn't Microsoft's fault that this is the case.  So what ends up happening is that emulation is necessary to get older software to run.  This is true with video game systems as well.  The consoles that provide backwards compatibility (xbox 360 does in fact play xbox games as well) do it through emulating the older consoles.  That is why they do not work perfectly with all games.  I just don't see why they should have to do this.  No one complained when SNES came out and you couldn't play the NES games on it.  Consumers tend to demand too much when it isn't profitable for a company.  If it costs too much to develop a feature, and the feature isn't considered profitable, then I see no reason why they should include it.  Now, the argument can be made that more people will buy a new console/OS if it has the features that they want, etc.  But the question becomes, how many people are not willing to upgrade due to the lack of that specific feature.  Then business decisions get made.  Plain and simple.  I am not saying that backwards compatibility is bad, in fact I wish my xbox one would play my 360 and original xbox games.  I would love it if it did.  But I cannot demand they provide that feature.  I can request it and hope it happens (then have hinted it is currently being worked on).  But I also know that if I want technology and games, etc to continue to advance, the businesses behind them must remain profitable.

Btw, the gamecube only sold about 20 million units.  As a whole, that is a flop for its generation on consoles.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 19, 2014, 11:26:42 AM »

Sony did it first with the PS2, it was backwards compatible to PS1 games.

Fair enough.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: You know what really ticks me off?

« on: December 19, 2014, 07:50:37 AM »

The "zero backwards compatibility" issue to me is really a non-issue.  Older programs were not made to run on new hardware.  I don't think new operating systems that are designed to optimize the newest hardware should have to bend over to make it so older programs work.  I know it is really nice when that does all pan out, but it shouldn't be the responsibility of Microsoft or whoever to do it.  As for consoles, if a gamer wants to play their XBOX 360 games, they should keep their old console.  There is nothing wrong with that.  I don't expect my NES games to play on my SNES, or gamecube, etc.  When Nintendo made the Wii backwards compatible with the gamecube, it was more because the gamecube was a flop and they wanted to be able to sell existing gamecube software.  It made gamers realize that hey this can actually be possible.  Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean that it should be done.  I see it this way, if I want to be able to play my old games, I should keep an old computer (or console) for that purpose.

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IQ Chat / Re: Hummel's speaking portrait question

« on: December 18, 2014, 08:29:14 AM »

I just went through the portrait thread in the private side of the forums and found this nugget from Bt before anything was actually drawn for Hummel.

Jarett - I always think of the actor Joe Don Baker