Just Another Old Game

[DosboxLetsPlay]

Hey y'all,

It's my first post on these forums but I hope that there is no harm in it if it's off-topic. Now to the topic itself, I don't know how many of you know a game called Time Gate: Knight's Chase, but if there are some of you who do and have any ideas on how to get it to run on a modern computer (running Win7 x64 [Home]) then your help would be much appreciated. I can't seem to get it to work with dosbox, but I might be doing something wrong...

Thanks in advance! 
DosboxLetsPlay

[Kaldire]

i got it working on dosbox, just make sure to visit the dosbox site to see its compatibility to which ver of dosbox you use

then make a separate dosbox config JUST for that game,

as long as the game says compatible i can get ALMOST every game to work
there ..are a few i still cant, sadly

cybermage for one.. if anyone can help with that one! hoooah

and im a dos freak sooo
and emu freak.. but a few games arent compatible

and to run a virtual os, seems the only way to run games as such
booo

to no backwards compat in anything anymore

even wii u stopped playing gc and wii games ... pfft
same as wii stopped gc games (mine has a slot for the cd of gc and controller ports most vers removed it)
ps3 1.0 and 1.1 play 88% of ps1 games  where all other vers wont play anything

xbox.. is NOT backwards compat  (xbox one) hence why fable anni was released vs TLC that no one on xbox land can play  tis why i wont buy a modern console

(i do have ps3 and ps4 but i didnt buy em) gifts, and they sit as doorstops)

[Kaldire]

from dosbox compat site

Timegate: Knight's Chase - Infogrames (1996)
Tested By: Jiri

runnable  -  playable  -  supported

DOSBox version: 0.72 (supported)

 

runnable  -  playable  -  supported

DOSBox version: 0.61 (supported)

so get .72 and rip it up

[Klytos]

People overcomplicate DOSBox. Just create a shortcut to it on the desktop drag the executable for whatever game you want to play onto the shortcut. It will run DOSBox with the default settings which is usually good enough.

[Kaldire]

so true klytos  only very few games require you to adjust stuff in the config

ive ran into about 1/10 games that need config editing, the rest.. nope

again with cybermage though, noper, not even with editing the config

also most GOG games that come with dosbox, kinda mess up, as its a generic config that gog has no hand in making,
some of them are even BLANK
bad move, anyway soooo true on the over-complicating of dosbox mate


but in those rare cases...

[DosboxLetsPlay]

Thanks guys! I'll have to try it then.

@Klytos wow, I had no idea you could do that. 

[Kaldire]

lol dosboxletsplay

its in the instructions if you read about dosbox!

lol

kinda like that nice combofix progie i use,
eh

but yep he be right, most o da time that works

[DosboxLetsPlay]

Shows how much I know about it huh? 

[Kaldire]

well i didnt mean it like that!
hard to decipher text meaning

i just meant your name kinda hints that you are a pro at dosbox

annnyway most dont read much of manuals or instructions
im one of those also, but in dosbox terms well yea its in there, go to the homesite and give a good read for the faqs


hehe
youll get that game working in no time

howwwwever what klytos said  doesnt work for CYBERMAGE
another game i wish was remade,
and again if you look at the dosbox homesite for compat , there are MANY games that require a virtual os to be installed (or a dual boot which ahh nooo) not with modern os's they get confused at "whos the boss"

on a side note.. i used to think the song TINY DANCER was HOLD ME CLOSE NOW TONY DANZZAAA

haha no joke there
funny yes
but true haha

[DosboxLetsPlay]

Ahh nope, I'm not a pro at dosbox, I know only as much as I need to play some of the good old games. My name isn't related to anything fancy like that hehe.

I guess I'll have to visit the ol' dosbox site then in the future.

Cheers.

[Collector]

i got it working on dosbox, just make sure to visit the dosbox site to see its compatibility to which ver of dosbox you use

No, that list means very little. It is by user contribution, not by any official declaration. The DOSBox version listed is merely an indication of the version use for the entry. If a game is listed as having been tested with 0.65, it just means that no one has retested the game since 0.65 was the latest. Anyway, DOSBox has reached a point that you can expect nearly all DOS games to run. There are occasionally the odd ones that pop up, but most simply work. The few that have issues are usually because the game itself is broken. There is a long running thread in the beta tester's forum of possible broken programs. If it is because of a problem with DOSBox, DOSBox usually gets patched. If it a problem with the game itself, someone may create a fix just for that game, usually in the form of a TSR to be run in DOSBox along with the game.

I cannot stress it enough, ALWAYS use the latest. While it is possible that something can be broken in newer versions, that is relatively rare. Also, if there has been a regression, it is better to report it. Each new version represents a substantial improvement in compatibility and performance. And never ask for help on VOGONS for an old version of DOSBox.

Using unique configs can be a good solution for the games that do not like the default settings. Usually it it is more for the convenience of automating the mounting.

[Kaldire]

isnt that really what i said collector .. like 90-99% of games.. i can run

there are those odd few that WILL NOT run no matter what you do without a virtual os box
or dual boot..
sorry did you read my first few posts saying.. i can get most games to emulate, and showed the %

the list does make a diff just fyi,  it does show those few games that ARENT compatible with it (even the ones in red some I can get working dont get me wrong just a few stubborn ones..) nope

one like redguard needs glidewrappers (took me ages to find the right combo

but.. im not sure why you quoted me saying the list isnt accurate or dont pay attention to it.. shrug, you just really said everything I said, I was just giving info to dosbox there..

sigh

[DosboxLetsPlay]

I finally got down to trying to run the thing. Using the tips you guys gave me, I got a bit further from zero lol. Now it says "Please run this installation under Windows 3.1 or higher." when I try to run SVGAMAX.exe, but that's about it. :/

[Collector]

@Kaldire, I was mostly referring to your statement about the use of that list, especially about "which ver of dosbox you use".  The list is mostly meaningless and you should always use the latest.

[Kaldire]

oh yaya true true

always

there was a handful of games that work better on the older ver but all that got sorted in the most recent updates.. so yep im with ya

wink*

[Kaldire]

I finally got down to trying to run the thing. Using the tips you guys gave me, I got a bit further from zero lol. Now it says "Please run this installation under Windows 3.1 or higher." when I try to run SVGAMAX.exe, but that's about it. :/

and this is in dosbox? saying windows 3.1 is required? ehhh?
ill try to find the game later and run it. see what i come up with

[DosboxLetsPlay]

Yep that's in dosbox Kaldire.
You don't have to go through all that hassle though, I still have my memories and youtube LPs of it.

[Kaldire]

so its a win/dos game not just pure dos ok

did u still want me to try to get it runnin on win7 64 bit?

what os you running?

did you get the game to work?

[Collector]

A few DOS games from the end of the DOS era sometimes had Windows installers and configuration utilities, but were still DOS games. I have encountered this several times when creating some of my installers. If there is not script file to parse out, the easiest thing is to run it on a machine or VM that it will work on and monitor what it does so you can replicate its functions.

[DosboxLetsPlay]

@Kaldire I run win7 64 bit and unfortunately nope, not working yet.

@Collector sorry? I'm not sure that I quite got it. 

[Kaldire]

VM ware.. .its the virtual OS I HAVE BEEN POSTING ABOUT FOREVER NOW!

lol

sigh

yea some games require that or a dual clean boot with the origi os's
hard to find for some..

ill give the game a look when I can , not sure what up.. seems like it should work..

so u run the same as me win7 64 bit.. so if i can get it to work .. so can you ok! sweet

[Collector]

@Kaldire I run win7 64 bit and unfortunately nope, not working yet.

@Collector sorry? I'm not sure that I quite got it. 

Some games from the end of the DOS era had Windows setups, but you had to play the game from DOS. The installers created a PIF shortcut to the game that would exit Windows and boot to DOS to start the game. If the game itself is a DOS game it can be played from DOSBox, but if the installer or setup is for Win, you will have to manually set it up to do so.

[Kaldire]

haha mate trust me I KNOW how to use dos

and urmm
I hope most do know that windows was created with ms dos  which was PC-dos stolen by gates  just made better..

so yea end of the dos solo era  games running in windows early vers were running on dos in reality

but dosbox, will pick this up no need for pif, but shrug

did you still need help getting that game to run? what ver or source are you using?

as collector said sometimes dosbox just needs to be pointed in the right direction, as we all used to call it
Dumb Operating System  dos.. lol

load mouse to high mem etc oh those were the days
ram was 58$ per 1mb  imagine that now if that translated to 16gb ram  oh lordy

[Kaldire]

heya

so i got the game to work!

sadly this is ONE of those games that klytos method wont work

as it requires a CD

so what i did, i just used a fresh config (no edits) dosbox .74  if you have a config edited just go to app local and find the config and erase or cut and paste somewhere else

then open dosbox

i mounted my c drive to d

so c= my os
e:= the cd for the game from DT mounted
mount c d:\

then i type d:\
d:\mount e e:\ -t cdrom
then
e:\

e:\ install
let it install, pick a directory
the game installs,
takes a bit,

then it will set you to the path u installed timegate to and will tell you TYPE TIMEGATE to play

type that in, and then it will run a setup, which u just click on the sound, midi and test to make sure it works

tadaaa

works just fine just you have to have the cd mounted..
tis the issue

and just using the exe and dragging it to the dosbox wont allocate mounting of cd drives
so thats how i did it.. manually..

game ran a bit slow so i upped the cpu but you can mess with that after you find out if it runs as directed in my above steps!

gl and let me know!

[Collector]

That was not directed at you, Kaldire. I was responding to DosboxLetsPlay, who asked for clarification.

And only Win 3x and earlier were running out of DOS. 9x only used DOS as a bootstrap for loading Windows. The NT line has always been completely independent of DOS.

[Kaldire]

urmm

win 95/98 runs on dos mate..
lol

just fyi there
but yea not like 3.1, granted

but ok do this remove dos from windows 98 and earlier.. lol

annyway i never suggested it was directed at me, i just pointed the working way out

how is it that each time i help... something bad happens, should i just not offer support anymore?
sigh..
nah I will

did ya get the game to run the way i suggested mate?
(thats to dosbox that text)

[Collector]

urmm

win 95/98 runs on dos mate..
lol

As I said, 9x used DOS to bootstrap the OS. It did not run out of it.

MS-DOS served two purposes in Windows 95.

• It served as the boot loader.
• It acted as the 16-bit legacy device driver layer.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2007/12/24/6849530.aspx

[Kaldire]

runs on dos= bootstrap, saying runs ON it.. meant bootin' to me or it would be just PURE DOS aww i miss PC-DOS hehe,
 but yea.. nm its a requirement,
now its just a tool so to speak..

sigh
anyway, I know my old school, seems you do too.

case n point, how do I get all the games to work that are old? I know my stuff..

and yep not arguing with ya, technically though NT had dos as a bootstrap too if you want to get critical
only up until what was it the terrible ME
now well lets just say things are far more complicated yet simple,
i cant even run legacy mode on bios or it wont read all my huge hds haha
but thats another story

but no need to link for me, but thats nice info for others!

[DosboxLetsPlay]

Heya!


Sorry for not responding earlier. Well, I've definently made some improvements. I have to ask though, where did you get your version of Timegate (I have the original cd so it's cool to pirate it )? So anywho, I fired up the install thingamagigy and it went pretty well but then when I actually tried to install it, it said that it couldn't locate the CD-ROM. So yeah.... another wall :S And that's why I was wondering where you got it from so there would be a better chance of getting it to work.


PS - Sorry guys, I know this topic is kinda dragging on. If it's bothering someone, I could move on to private messaging and only bother Kaldire.