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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: help find the game old 6 cd game RIPPER ?

« on: December 17, 2014, 03:33:15 PM »

This seems to have a demo of Ripper and some other stuff for less than $10...not exactly what you are looking for clearly, but I'll keep my eyes open.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CGR-Game-Disc-demo-disc-Volume-6-Ripper-1995-/271556808007?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item3f3a0c0d47

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IQ Chat / Mostly Walking

« on: December 17, 2014, 03:17:48 PM »

This series has been a lot of fun to watch.  So far they have played KQ6, The Dig, QFG1, and Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis.  Throughout the play-throughs, they discuss/rag on some of the poor design elements of adventure games but have serious conversations about the games and their design.  This is their end of the year recap episode and I really enjoyed the conversation.  It is a good watch. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dklN4CzTOIY

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: help find the game old 6 cd game RIPPER ?

« on: December 15, 2014, 01:02:54 PM »

Yeah.  eBay uses paypal so you could still do that.  I use it all the time (buying and selling).  I have never had a problem.  If you were to register for an account, you could pay through paypal, so you wouldn't need to do anything except log into your paypal when checking out.  With shipping it looks to be like $40 US so not too bad given I have not seen it elsewhere.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: help find the game old 6 cd game RIPPER ?

« on: December 15, 2014, 11:09:34 AM »

How is this.  Ends in a few hours though, but the price is reasonable.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ripper-PC-CD-ROM-Game-Big-Box-6-Discs-RARE-BOX-/321609199670?pt=UK_PC_Video_Games_Video_Games_JS&hash=item4ae166f036

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Everything must cease, RIP my lulu (my wife was murdered today)

« on: December 09, 2014, 10:48:33 PM »

Damn, bro.  You and you daughter are in my prayers.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Odd Gentlemen's "King's Quest" teaser

« on: December 09, 2014, 06:24:09 PM »

I have to say, regardless of what the game turns out to be, I LOVE that it has been this controversial.  I think it's important to make a stink about this kind of stuff, for the sake of the "genre."  haha

I don't know how I feel about it.  It seems to be mostly bickering between old school adventure fans and tell tale adventure fans, and then some other adventure game fans that have not really taken a side.  The issue is that the "controversy" is between the adventure game community.  This is the same community that typically wont pay more than $10 for a GOOD game, and even then, they wait for a sale.  This is the community that has proven time and time again that there is no reason for large companies to pursue games in the genre.  That is why we only get Tell Tale style games.  And even then, those game release at a price of $30 on XBOX One and PS4 and quickly fall to $10-$15.  The adventure game community doesn't actually support adventure games when it comes to what matters most to the companies making them; their wallets.  At the end of the day, the only way we will ever get new games using the old IPs is to make them for a new audience which means they CANNOT be traditional adventures.  It is a sad reality, but the adventure game community has helped cerate the problem.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Odd Gentlemen's "King's Quest" teaser

« on: December 09, 2014, 04:19:40 PM »

The three fan remakes by AGDI were sanctioned as was TSL. A licence is a licence, regardless of whether it's a fan version or not.

Was the license granted to AGDI before KQ3?  I thought they were only granted permission on that one.  As for TSL, it was granted after the fact.  But we are splitting hairs on that.  It doesn't really matter.  I would rather play a good fan game than a bad "official" one. But being different does not automatically mean it will be good or bad.  That's all I am really saying here.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Odd Gentlemen's "King's Quest" teaser

« on: December 09, 2014, 10:20:06 AM »

Then again, the first KQ (which is my favorite from an overall game perspective) had very little story.  The entire story was, "I am the king.  I am dying.  Find the 3 lost treasures and you will be king."  That was it.  Then it was an open world game to do just that.  What I loved about the game is that it was not linear, and there were multiple solutions to all puzzles.  You could do things in a more noble way if you chose (which would result in a higher score).  The points system, multiple solutions, open world and non-linear nature is what made it great.  It was not point and click, etc.  Could they make a game that includes the things that made the first game great?  You can make a console style game non-linear.  You can make a console game have multiple solutions to puzzles.  You can make a console game have different consequences based on your choices.  So, yes, it is possible. 

As for the story through cut scenes, the more I think about this, the more I realize that in the later KQ games, the story was done through cut scenes and dialog.  And to play devil's advocate, dialog can be interpreted as mini cut scenes as you are not actually playing while the characters are talking.  In KQ5 and KQ6 you didn't even get to decide what you would say either, so that makes them seem much more like cut scenes.

As for the back story of the fan remakes or the Tell Tale game, I do know quite a bit of what went on there, but that is their own problem.  Fan remakes were never sanctioned.  Tell Tale's model isn't suited for KQ either.  I am much more optimistic with the current situation (even after seeing the trailer) than I ever was with Tell Tale.  I think if Activision were the ones actually making the game, it would be doomed.  Given it is an independent company, it still has some hope.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Odd Gentlemen's "King's Quest" teaser

« on: December 09, 2014, 08:37:06 AM »

That may be my number one thing that I am hoping for.  I hope that the story is told through game play and not just cut scenes.

As for QTEs, I don't think I have ever liked them at all.  If it ends up being full of them, I will also be disappointed.  Like I said, I just want a good game at this point.  Other than that, I have no expectations.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Odd Gentlemen's "King's Quest" teaser

« on: December 09, 2014, 07:40:27 AM »

Again I wouldnt mind if this was a game INSPIRED by KQ but not with the title.

That could be any adventure game that came after KQ.

This new game is using the characters, story and world of the original game.  It is KQ, not some inspired spin off.  This isn't taking a supporting character and giving them their own game.  It is Graham, it is Daventry, it is KQ.

When books are made into movies, they keep the title.  Sometimes they do a fantastic job (Lord of the Rings), and sometimes they don't (The Hobbit - up for debate, but I think it is terrible).  In making movies based on books or comics, changes get made to the characters, the story, etc.  But at the end of the day, the book and the movie are two different ways of telling the same story.  Typically, people like whichever they read/see first more than the other one.I believe it is possible for both to be excellent.  It doesn't have to be one or the other.  The same MIGHT be true for KQ.  It is possible that the new game, although different in mechanics can in fact tell the same story in a new way that works.  And, if we want the stories to live on, as Shawn said, a newer audience must be created.  The game has to work for them, not just adventure game purists.  As I mentioned earlier, if a new game draws them in and sparks an interest in the story and the original games, it can't be bad for the games.  We may never have another classic point and click KQ adventure, and that is sad, but that doesn't make the new KQ game terrible or wrong or anything else.  I will wait and see.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Odd Gentlemen's "King's Quest" teaser

« on: December 08, 2014, 04:05:08 PM »

That definitely HAVE billed it as an adventure game, both in official announcements and in informal Tweets & FB posts.

Fair enough.  Like I said, I have not followed that much. 

As for the other stuff as in other companies and their intentions, I really don't care about any of it.  I don't care if the game has Roberta's hand in it.  None of that really matters at all.  If the game is good, great.  If not, then I can be unhappy.  I will wait to pass judgement.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Odd Gentlemen's "King's Quest" teaser

« on: December 08, 2014, 01:47:49 PM »

Have they actually promoted it ad an adventure game?  I honestly have not followed it very much at all.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Odd Gentlemen's "King's Quest" teaser

« on: December 08, 2014, 12:35:25 PM »

For me, I have no expectations.  I really will play it for what it is.  I just hope it is a good game that takes more than 2 hours to play.  I am not engaging in any of the conversations really because there is no point to it whatsoever.  I feel bad for The Odd Gentlemen.  They are in a no win situation. 

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Odd Gentlemen's "King's Quest" teaser

« on: December 08, 2014, 11:48:02 AM »

A few things....

I love adventure games.  They will always hold a special place for me as they were the games I grew up with.  But, at the same time I was playing KQ, SQ, QFG, etc, I also had a NES and a SEGA Genesis.  I played console games and loved them too.  I am a gamer.  I love games.  The notion that because a game is made for a console and the "console generation" means that the game isn't worth playing seems extremely short sided.  Just because the game isn't being made for adventure game purists, does not mean it can't or wont be good.  It doesn't mean it will be good either.  There are many bad adventure games.  There are many bad console games.  I personally like good games, regardless of genre.  If they make a good game in the KQ universe that tells the KQ story, then great.  I would rather have that than a Tell-Tale style interactive movie masked with an "adventure game" label.  If KQ gets revived as something different than what it was, it doesn't have to be a bad thing.  If people play it and love it and it causes them to go back and see the inspiration by playing the old games that would be amazing too.  I hate that people have already judged the game before it has even been played.  To me, that is the worst thing I am seeing now that the trailer has been released.

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Banter and Chit-Chat! / Re: Odd Gentlemen's "King's Quest" teaser

« on: December 07, 2014, 01:00:07 PM »

The trailer reminded me a lot of Zelda. I love Zelda, and I love KQ. I will likely buy it. I hope to enjoy it for whatever type of game it turns out to be. I am clearly not expecting an adventure game though.