Step 1 - If this were a test, I'd say correct.
Part 2, as you wrote, the "credit" ties in with step 1, comprende?
Step 3... numbers. Gadgets. Find a gadget with numbers. Any number, pick a number, Pick Douglas Adams favorite number! It doesn't matter whether you win or lose, but if you play the game.
Step 4 - Fire? Where there's fire there maybe lightning. White lightning.
Step 5 - Remember - EVERYONE ends up here.. or near here, or in here. Somethings have eternity to wait, but you don't. XX marks the spot. Tie it together.
Bt
To clear up some confusion, the five steps to BT has to be something that's doable by all three characters... fact
Think of the things that each of the three characters can't do or does in a different way... these things are not one of the five steps.
For instance: the sorcerer floats over the red bush, the rogue burns the bush, the brigand uses sword on the bush, therefore the bush is NOT one of the steps (number 4).
The reference to fire and white lightning (moonshine), all three characters can roast the moonshiner, so this is likely, or possibly, the step concerning fire.
In closing, the clues thus far given are cryptic. Trying to get concrete answers from cryptic clues isn't likely possible. You must derive cryptic answers to cryptic clues.
Coming in late here, but BT's clues about finding himself -- Jonestown, White Rabbit, etc. -- would lead me to believe that Roehm needs to drink/take "something" to put him into an altered state. An out-of-body experience? Hence the way-out and wacky fight screen background...
Almost drug-induced, perhaps? And could the "XX" be a reference to the effects of this "self-medication"? Cartoon X's over the eyes typically signify death, but also being knocked out cold.
(At first I thought it was something about Roehm having to kill himself, but BT says it's not about death.)
And it appears BT is located in a "virtual" bar...
Far away from a computer that can play QFI at the moment and just playing catch-up on the forum posts, but wanted to put in my two ¢...
5. You're on track. You have the necessary means necessary means to complete the task, and double X doesn't mark a spot - you do. Double X, well, you'll have to wait to find out what that means.
Bt
Is burning the moonshiner only possible if you've done all the previous steps?
You don't have to do the steps to find Bt in order to burn the moonshiner - just click the sword icon on him when you find him in Act 2.
You don't have to do the steps to find Bt in order to burn the moonshiner - just click the sword icon on him when you find him in Act 2.
When I do that, he just runs off. I tried it before and after getting the money, with and without stealth mode, and any other combination I could think of. My infamy's at 225 at that point, so I don't think that's it. What am I missing?
You don't have to do the steps to find Bt in order to burn the moonshiner - just click the sword icon on him when you find him in Act 2.
When I do that, he just runs off. I tried it before and after getting the money, with and without stealth mode, and any other combination I could think of. My infamy's at 225 at that point, so I don't think that's it. What am I missing?
You need to have stuff to burn him with...
I never thought of that. Rarely bought the tinderbox or even used it. However, there is a use for the tinderbox. Save, then combine tinderbox with smaller flint :o
Step 3... numbers. Gadgets. Find a gadget with numbers. Any number, pick a number, Pick Douglas Adams favorite number! It doesn't matter whether you win or lose, but if you play the game.
Step 5 - Remember - EVERYONE ends up here.. or near here, or in here. Somethings have eternity to wait, but you don't. XX marks the spot. Tie it together.
Bt likes you to pay attention; give credit where credit is due. He also likes numbers and he likes fire.
Be patient and be hydrated.
You're on the right track with your early work, but step 5 and beyond... well... the bookcase comes here, and back to Dodson. You'll have to go Jonestown on this one.... and then solve what's beyond.
The last step is the final step - everyone's final resting place, of at least somewhere inside it. XX doesn't mark the spot, but you do.
The path of the righteous dude is beset on all sides by a series of events. It starts before you even start, and follows the rule of three.
Bt likes numbers and gadgets. You should too.
Sometimes, you can escape the fire, but others can't.
Those who know? Dodgson knows. Dodgson tells.
Finally, you'll say "finally" and then sigh with relief.
You'll have to traverse the world to put it all together.
This seems to make more sense:
1-2) Watch the whole intro, including the intro credits
3) Use numbers in something gadgety (the ATM?)
4) Set the moonshiner on fire
5) Type in the "those who know" book (but what, I'm not sure)
Elsewhere in these threads, and quite early, it was posted that Dodgson knows.
just think now.... 1 and 2 are done by doing two different things at the very start: Watching the intro credits, and Watching the epilogue where Roehm finally ends up outside Volksville.I disagree. I'm standing by my interpretation of "marking" as being a reference to the rug in the cemetery. Does anyone else have ideas?
The correct phrase huh? Not necessarily in one sentence but a combination of two smaller phrases? That would be a bit low!to bad no infamy for it!
Anyone try using sword on the fish on the wall? Sounds like a broken record.
EDIT: natewolfe
but you ARE onto something,
mad, hell even mayor of tyr mentions TEA .. rohem thanks for the .. urmm ...tea
Apparently we get some sort of in-game feedback if we've typed in the correct words into the book after doing all the previous steps correctly. We know we have to watch the credits and eventually burn the moonshiner, but we don't know anything about this gadget yet. If it is the ATM, which numbers do we use? Will we get some in-game feedback if we've used the right numbers at that step?as far as i know. no other steps give you feedback
Trying to find BT... Made me think of another Alice quote...
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.
As for the last.... stay hydrated before you pursue the last part. Be patient; XX patient. Mark the spot.
Sit back. Enjoy the show.
Bt
Oh but stay hydrated!
I much prefer self flagellation compared to this news!
aww like i said, I even linked the video of itOh but stay hydrated!
In the prologue, pee on the beast after you kill it (by using the attack cursor) about 10 times...see what happens. :)
Heheh - well, it's only a snipe hunt if there's nothing to catch! But I promise you - there is here!
Bt
Yes, different code combinations pop up every time you use the book. Unfortunately, I don't believe it tells you either if you entered the correct code.... but the correct codes can be found. You just have to find them - though not inside the game.
Bt
Heh. Finding the answers is probably more simple than you think - you probably won't deduce them, but if you search for them you may find them.search .. for them..
Bt
I do believe this has to do with the classes in the previous qfg games
like mindless mage, = mage class for maze
fighter frenzy= fighter path
devious dirtbag = thief,
but I really cant seem to put them together
oh there is a 4th so paladin?
problem is that there are only 5 icons
dirtbag seems it would be sneak, as it has a bag and collector with INITIALS TK :P what be the tk?
take?
Ah, so THAT'S where you put those, BT!
I was a little concerned when I never found them in the regular play-through; I thought you may have decided against using them, or didn't have time to put them into the game... at least not for v1.0! ;)
I went online searching for the font, hoping that the wingdings would be included, or maybe another font by Goatmeal that would have an answer... No such luck. Close, but no cigar. Nice font, though!
BT, when you mention the solution to cracking the code is listed somewhere on this page... Any way to get another hint to what you're referring to? I thought it may be the font, but apparently not so?
so you know on this site where those are?
i looked everywhere i could think, profile edits, blogs, links, calendar,
did you figure out the phrase also goatmeal?
maybe a hint on how I can find it on this very page (not emotes) read all manuals, about section ahh
am I really overlooking such obvious stuff
oh and TK in dnd meant tool kit, even for a thief just sayin
I can find one icon on this site, the IQS icon,
as for this 5th step, really bt how many steps are there lol
next we will be drawing pictures in the sand talking to a squirrel asking him directions to the next clue haha
snipe hunt for sure, and this adventurer is losing sleep gaaaww
soo close i sweaaaaar
goat lemme know if you found the phrase
and well, ill keep searching THIS VERY PAGE, but ahh no
EDIT:
so i did search the forums for ICONS literally, I did find a great ole little vid of the intellivision ver of QFI hahaha
aww happy baby! so cute, veryy awesome and cute
also goatmeal talking about his fonts and qfg4 copy protection stuffs transferred but nothing solid
"And I also designed the in-game copy protection symbols, based on my love of QFG4's five element icons for Dr. Cranium's formulas."
grrrarrrhhgg
gurrgle,
Heh, step 5 is a doozy. It takes a lot of time.but im at the ennnnnnnnnnnnddd
Bt
If BT gives his blessing, I will upload a pic of the symbols that I created.
Which treant did you give it to? There is a bug. I think you have to give it to the one on the left.
I thought I remembered reading somewhere in the forums that the process was going to be documented in the hint book. Is that the case? Will the quest be changing in the update?i remember something about that also but not sure...
Just got to Act 2, heading to Moonshiner now. Saw this (screencap) at the end of Act 1... Have never seen this on any previous play through... Have you guys seen this before? Pretty awesome!
Just got to Act 2, heading to Moonshiner now. Saw this (screencap) at the end of Act 1... Have never seen this on any previous play through... Have you guys seen this before? Pretty awesome!I wanna see my beauty and the beast garden !!
PS burning the trees worked, so no need to send in my save file. Thanks!
Ha ha... I was actually hoping I could pay the guy 40,000 to play Freebird
What's odd is one playthrough in the necromancer's cave, after she's dead, a message pops up saying I've found some blys... maybe that was after I bought the non visible bracers of wealth... idk
heya goatmeal
i get lost now in the numbers as there really is about 7-8 steps not 5 lol
step 4 is the book? that has like 2 steps just alone
and I think i was one of the first to figure that sucker out just from knowing a bit about alice and putting pieces together
yea nameless one of those IS correct, sooo something musta gone wrong in the intro or the other 2 steps which you seem to know .. so its a bit confusing
and yes the book is ALWAYS there, so if you went there and entered anything .. it will mess up the bt hunt :P
As you list it, step 1-2 are just step 1. Your step 3, garr is step 2, step 4 is step 3, step 5 is step 4.... the final step, miriya is very very close on! Step 5 is perhaps the trickiest; for those who are patient, you wait for XX to mark the spot.
1) Credits/Intro
2) Gadget
3) Fire
4) Those who know, will (Dodgson)
5) The Final Step for the patient.
Bt
I keep mine pretty short. It is scratchy though... Never found a good solution either.
I'll get back you guys later re: the quest... I've already started over and documenting everything this time, just to be safe... It plays through relatively quickly though...
Hmmm Nameless, I was able to get the "message" after typing the correct phrase in the book.
The steps I took were:
1- select Prelude to Infamy at the start of game and let the scene progress uninterrupted
2 - enter the ATM pin in Act 1;
3- flamed the moonshiner by clicking sword icon on him (I think there are two ways of accomplishing this, but I did it by using the sword icon immediately on the moonshiner without talking to him at all);
4- enter correct phrase in book (and get the confirmation message and follow up question)
now if only I could figure out step5!!!! It doesn't help that work and life seems to get in the way of completing this side quest.
ONE THING TO TRY: DO YOU STILL HAVE A SAVE AT THE LIBRARY BEFORE YOU TYPED IN THE PHRASE?
COMPRESS AND SEND IT TO MY EMAIL AND I'LL SEE IF MY GAME DOES IT CORRECTLY! IF IT DOES, I'LL IMMEDIATELY DELETE IT BECAUSE I WANT TO DO IT MYSELF. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A STUBBORN SENIOR GAMER!
Did he figure it out...?Never, ever talk to someone you've never met before
Fraps, but uh... it's not free
It's hot key for screenies is F10
I believe the hot key for videos is F9 which didn't work for me so I set it at F8
.................
strange thing about flaming the moonshiner:
if I talked before flaming, then the book phrase always failed
You guys recommend a program for doing in-game screenshots? Usually I use Greenshot, but I'm playing QFI full screen in Windows 7 and my screen caps via Greenshot are coming out all black...
Fraps, but uh... it's not free
It's hot key for screenies is F10
I believe the hot key for videos is F9 which didn't work for me so I set it at F8
.................
strange thing about flaming the moonshiner:
if I talked before flaming, then the book phrase always failed
heya
odd as I talked to him, first, made him run and fried him
as for fraps yea its not free but easy to.. ahem get for free
and yea esp on ags games f9= quit restart.. so yea i rebind that key also
did ya make a vid or something? did ya get in the bar?? im so curious to know!!!
Just want something for screen caps, not video... Usually use Greenshot, but it has issues if you're playing full screen...
MM.. yeh. Maybe after a cornbread n onion supper. game to intenet to game!!mmmm I love it!!!
heh heh heh who doesn't like good ole fashioned buttermilk cornbread.
This image sums up the hunt for BT, lolyea you wont see that if you are on the sorc path just fyi
Uh, so if I put in the correct code, I won't get any notification? Ok, good to know.
So the next step involves...
--waiting
--drinking
--traversing the world
--bridges
--John Connor???
--XX
--YOU mark the spot
--We all end up here eventually
Odd thing is, before QFI was released, Blackthorne had the page codes listed where most gamers never go. That's like driving down the road, looking for a store that sells red paint, and you drive right on past a red building!
Oh!..... Crap! Now that you mention it, there are six. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryea doesnt matter just get the ones that you know the answer too lol
Lol. I was hoping you'd have some romance options... Kayanna, Ina, Kit, Volaris...
You don't have to get 5 different ones in a row, you only have to do it once... We were just saying we don't have the solution for HH but we do have the other ones...
@nameless. Look as others have posted, The BT fight/bar is the most Challenging Easter Egg i have ever encountered. It took me months to find it and that was with hints NOT answers from this forum. Don't be an Ahole and ruin the hunt for others. Not to be a dick or start a flame war/trolling. If you need the answer Pm people or wait for the Strat Guide to be released. We are all friends here, period. Anyway enjoy the game dude.
Anyone find the reference to the bar in our SQ2? heheheh!you mean the one when you hang upside down from the vine?
Also, any other phrases work in that book? I know some that do... :)
Hints on other phrases that work in the book? Please
I just noticed that Big Red has a right side wooden leg!
Bottom of the Totem? ha ha That's not so bad! Reminds me of an old business saying:
To climb the corporate ladder, without leaving your integrity behind, you must reach the pinnacle of your profession by kicking butt, not kissing it!
The moderators put me down here for a reason: someone was needed to hold everyone up 8)
Something I don't think happened before: meeting Kayanna beyone the sleeping trees, the last option was to flirt with her. She gave Roehm a big full smooch!
Also, any other phrases work in that book? I know some that do... :)
You consider flogging the flagon...
Goatmeal! I got your email; I'm sorry I didn't get back yet. My wife was in the hospital for the past few days unexpectedly, so I was in and out of answer emails and phone calls. Yep! You're in too!
and grats on finding the bar in 1.1!
Something else I'm wondering about'
Yes, doing all five steps as required. But, if something is different in 1.1, it's just not going to be as expected. Seems to me if everything is done correctly, you should find the bar every time with a minimum of effort.
In 1.0, it was mentioned that you could go across the canoe hut bridge and head north, skipping the bar (or the two known bars) and second bridge.
Nothing's been changed in 1.1 for the bar; I did add a couple places where you could find some hints on the process, but nothing else has been changed.Is it necessary to find these hints in order for the virtual bar to be accessed?
Bt
Nothing's been changed in 1.1 for the bar; I did add a couple places where you could find some hints on the process, but nothing else has been changed.Is it necessary to find these hints in order for the virtual bar to be accessed?
Bt
??? ??? ??? ??? ???wait , so you get all the way to the last step but ... cant get in the bar??
I'm frikin dyin here. I just can't do it. I think something should be done about the timing issue. So, some information hints about the process has been added.
Oh, please don't have it where everyone has to find those hints (in game?) in order for it all to work.
I seen way back in this thread that goatmeal got into the virtual bar in 1.1. It seems he's the only one successful.
Yes. Wish I could smack Roehm for saying that. So, if I keep going I'm bound to hit the sweet spot? What if I wait long enough till getting no response, then working backwards?By saying OK!! I meant that I finally got into the bar by simply waiting longer at each attempt. I've since played another character and was successful again. I'm presently on the third character and am confident to find the bar yet again.
Getting the 'so close yet so far away' at 3 minutes beyond 18 minute save. So, I'll up it some more....
OK!!! At 4 minutes beyond my 18 minute save. This is at the default speed setting which is near half way. Which brings to mind one of the clues "Be Patient" Strange, only Blackthorne's voice has sound.
Final note, each reload increases the time I have to wait. After first bar, the next wait at same time fails. The next after that, had to wait an extra minute. So it appears each attempt wait time increases by 30 seconds.
secret boss? you mean bt?
yea he is easyyyyyy
no problems
lol
was there another secret boss?
Are there any points in the game where it becomes impossible to find him, or can you always access the boss?
urmm
you missed a step? its not the bush..
and yea once u leave the bar you must either restore in the bar (i saved in the bar)
or restart
but if you didnt do step 2 or 3, steps 4 and 5 will never happen.
Is there a use for roehm.dat?
Got the game a few days ago. Will not wait so long to get the next one! :)
I can confirm that the Bar can be reached in 1.1, and the boss can be killed.
However, there seems to be a problem with looking around the Bar and talking to everyone. I had the game crash three times while I was in there. The error message said something about an AGS error and a problem with scripting. (I'm playing the Steam version.)
Also, half the conversations either have no voice or only have voice for part of the conversation.