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« on: January 03, 2017, 09:09:42 AM »
You can call me childish or entitled all you want, it doesn't debase or change the point I made.
That timeline speaks for itself, and defending it at this point simply makes you look silly.
I would be curious to know how many years of BT claiming he has everything in his living room and just doesn't know how to ship it before one can be legitimately upset? Please tell me how much longer Steven can claim he doesn't know how to ship a box before anyone who has been to the post office once in their life is allowed to raise an eyebrow. Tell me how many updates he is allowed to make claiming he is sending things out (with zero evidence or corroborative support from *anyone* who has received something) before a person is allowed to get frustrated without it being childish. Is it 4 updates? 5? 6? 10? Please, tell me, because it really seems to me that people like Brandon are circle jerking and defending Steven no matter what he says or does. It's less a matter of me, or anyone else, acting childish and/or entitled, and more a matter of Brandon saying, "Hey, leave my buddy alone. Ignore that fact he has repeatedly broken promises to you and has your money".
How entitled are you Brandon, to think that people who put hundreds of bucks down on this *don't* have a right to be upset? You're living in a hypocritical bubble.
Speaking of which, how many of you white knights did he personally promise to have their stuff shipped out by now? I can answer that. Zero. I on the other hand actually do fall into that category. So is it entitled of me to expect something that Steven specifically said would be in the mail by a certain Friday last October? Excuse me, you seem to have confused the world "entitled" for "believing what someone said".
And some of you have the audacity to claim he is trying the best that he can? If that's true, then it's also incredibly sad. Have you ever stopped to consider that?
To address a few other thoughts here:
1. Money was offered back to me: Yes, he did offer a refund, however we never discussed the details. Why? Because, like you, I cared enough about this project to put money into it. Like you, I ultimately hope to have a boxed copy of this game sitting on my shelf. I wouldn't have waited around this long or been this vocal about it had it not been what I wanted in the first place. It's also a bit hard to swallow walking away at this point when, apparently, my stuff is just sitting right there on his floor. But, then again, that requires me believing that my stuff is actually sitting there and that BT's lack of knowledge of a flat rate mailing box is the only thing stopping it from arriving. On the other hand, my enthusiasm for the project is severely waning at this point. So I'm not sure if having a boxed copy on my shelf at some point will be a victory or simply a reminder of all the douchery.
2. Legal Action: Money was *not* being offered to me at the time I brought this up. So don't try to restate the narrative. At the time I mentioned legal action I, like all of you, had parted with my money years ago and had nothing to show for it besides a steam key that I could have bought for a few bucks. It's only because I brought up legal action that my money was offered back to me. Legal action is incredibly cheap when you have access to a lawyer, so it wouldn't put me out anything. What it would do it put BT in a situation where he has to respond or face a default judgement, and by responding he would need a lawyer himself unless he actually tried to file all the required documentation himself. Do I want to deal with all that and do that to BT? No. Am I sick of being strung along with false promises? Hell yes I am. So I had 2 options. Continue sitting around waiting for BT to figure out something incredibly simple and basic, such as how to ship a boxed game, or consider taking action. I considered action, and in return it got me an offer of a refund. Which I am still considering.
The defenders keep saying Steven is doing his best. As I said earlier, if that can actually be said in earnest, then it is impossibly sad. It frankly means that Steven is a failure at this point. There is no stretch of the definition of success that can describe this situation, unless you take the extremely cynical road and assume success means taking everyone's money, producing a game, and then shutting the company down and not shipping out the rest. We all know that wasn't the intention however, and I also know Steven didn't set out to take people's money. I am confident his original intentions were good.
On the other hand, unlike many of you, Steven has blatantly lied to me. So if you think it's childish for me to call him out on that, then I've got something much more childish I suggest you go and do.
I'd also like to point out that I had dropped several hundred on not only a big box for this game, but also for his other two. I imagine that I can leave my KS pledge to my children in my will, and if Order of the Thorne ever actually ships, it can go to them or their children. It sure as hell won't ship in my lifetime. Hah.
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