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Title: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: garr on August 30, 2014, 09:49:25 PM
BT likes you to pay attention....watching the intro?

Give credit where credit is due... buy Japsworth all the drinks he wants?

He likes numbers... the library book pages?

He likes fire... burn things at every opportunity?

Be patient and be hydrated.... drink booze till passing out?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on August 31, 2014, 12:18:17 AM
why a new thread mate? just curious
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on August 31, 2014, 12:48:10 AM
Step 1 - If this were a test, I'd say correct.

Part 2, as you wrote, the "credit" ties in with step 1, comprende?

Step 3... numbers. Gadgets. Find a gadget with numbers. Any number, pick a number, Pick Douglas Adams favorite number! It doesn't matter whether you win or lose, but if you play the game.

Step 4 - Fire? Where there's fire there maybe lightning. White lightning.

Step 5 - Remember - EVERYONE ends up here.. or near here, or in here. Somethings have eternity to wait, but you don't. XX marks the spot. Tie it together.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Longsunrise on August 31, 2014, 12:55:39 PM
Step 1 - If this were a test, I'd say correct.

Part 2, as you wrote, the "credit" ties in with step 1, comprende?

Step 3... numbers. Gadgets. Find a gadget with numbers. Any number, pick a number, Pick Douglas Adams favorite number! It doesn't matter whether you win or lose, but if you play the game.

Step 4 - Fire? Where there's fire there maybe lightning. White lightning.

Step 5 - Remember - EVERYONE ends up here.. or near here, or in here. Somethings have eternity to wait, but you don't. XX marks the spot. Tie it together.


Bt


Like Garr, I took a short break from QI and sure enough all I've been thinking about this mystical Bt fight

I think I've figured out step 3 & 4 - can Bt confirm?

Step 3:  try punching in some digits in the ATM machine.  There are only two gadgets in the game that uses numbers, the safe in the house near the bank and the ATM.  Since this challenge is open to all classes and the brigand cannot break into homes, that only leaves the ATM.

Step 4: involves the Moonshiner.  Moonshine is also known as white lightening, a description that is also used in game when you use the look icon at the still.  This must be the step that can only be done in Act 2 (as eluded in a different post Bt replied to).  I only recently found that you can kill him by burning (click sword icon on him) as opposed to using the usual tactics when you use the talk icon on him.

Now it's just a matter of step 5...I'm wondering if it's the main plaza of Tyr (EVERYONE shows up there at the end except Swart, who shows up NEAR there to pick up Roehm), just can't imagine what the XX is about...


Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on August 31, 2014, 12:58:43 PM
Longsunrise - you're on to something!

Garr - somewhere down the line I have to send you a QFI "Bank of Volksville" Card for all your hard work and diligence!  You're a real trooper!


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on August 31, 2014, 05:57:44 PM
oooo a bank card!

and yea I set him on fire after tricking him.. sure go get the money... nah burnn baby burn

haha

bt what am I chopped liva?! lol
Sitting here with garr and been working on nothing else in QFI now! just bt search haha

its like a job!
(gives puss in boots eyes for bankcard with my backerkit) lol
damn those eyes !

I had 3 of those steps worked out, wasnt sure about the atm but kinda think its not the safe, but rather that atm.

doh bart you rock
I just didnt want to post the same though lines over n over again
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on August 31, 2014, 06:53:21 PM
there is that fallen over grave that looks like it can be a door or something, near the grave digger,
idk

been trying to sort out that for a while,
but everyone ends here for sure is dead, or something along those lines

step 2 is the one kinda irking me, not sure what that means on the credit, just makes me think of space quest idk,
hope its not typing in a THANK YOU in the book or something as such,
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on August 31, 2014, 07:23:16 PM
the first step must be done before act 1
the other steps must be done in act 2,  not before,
so i dont think the credits thing is just after the prologue
its gotta be after the act 1 ends from my deduction

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on August 31, 2014, 08:43:31 PM
Pssst.... credits + intro = prelude.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 01, 2014, 08:40:15 AM
Im confused,

I watched the prelude, and there are credits in there, but nothing else before that..
its not one in the same?

or you are saying it is one and the same step, just dont skip the credits or prelude (this is what im hoping is step 1 and 2) just not skipping anything and watching those intro credits and then the animation opening seq

hope thats right or damn id have to start again,  I even recorded the credits in hopes there was a WILL in there somewhere for that damn book lol

so I watched em many o times, and the prelude writing down words I could use for da book
giving credit where its due, to one of the people in the credits ahh I tried all those names!
grrrr?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Chadly on September 01, 2014, 01:40:13 PM
Finding and battling Bt is the most challenging puzzle/easter egg in the game.  Thats the whole point of an easter egg.  For those who say " this puzzle has ruined the game for me", i think thats a bit sad and ridiculous.  Quest for Infamy is a classic adventure game for old school gamers and new a like.  I have to agree tho that it is a frustrating puzzle and probally wont be found by the majority of players without help or a guide.  That said the game's story, graphics, music, humor are all top rate and have been Very enjoyable for this gamer!  p.s.   I havent found Bt/the hidden bar either!!!!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 01, 2014, 06:20:07 PM
that part.. i think i got figured out, and its close but not what you thinkin :P

as for step 2 giving credit, bt mentioned the credits .. but that happens with the first step urmm so im lost at how it applies unless one has to credit someone in the credits somehow.. grrrr?

any input there?

btw just sold my extra steam cards cheap for fans, just missing 2 now and yea one is darn volksville card, 1$ a card daaamn  nice, but to high for me,
I remember when the game came out like all cards were 2$ ish or so give or take! awesome insane

annyway hit me up garr esp on the 2nd step, if I got it or missed that one somehow idk.
dont want to get to far in just to start over but i do believe this 2nd step CANT be done until after act1 is over.

also i noticed as a sorc on a few plays that the hunter in the south woods never offers info for food or money, so that never pops up, it did as rogue and brig path but not sorc, 
and I want to set fire to the bush not fly over it BT make that happen! hahah float .. no no this is FIRE here red bush on fiiiyaaa
Trooooggdooorr
the burninator   from strongbad a series and game I helped work on haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfrAf1a9Qhs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfrAf1a9Qhs#)

I recommend anyone with some free time to check out homestarrunner site
and
ASK A NINJA, another great guy  omnibus id recommend first :P

hit me back forum friends lets crack this nut

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 02, 2014, 02:47:42 PM
You're doing pretty well, Garr. 


Good advice.  More clues coming this week.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 02, 2014, 03:22:40 PM
We turned you back on to Red Meat?  We're doing our job!!!


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 03, 2014, 01:17:49 AM
lololol

garrr you rock :P

so step 1 and 2 are the same step, urmm odd  coulda sworn step 2 was after act 1  step 2 and 3 after act 1 grr

I dont eat fast food, but I do eat meaaaaaaaat
just not smeat  or spam whatever that crap in the can is made from.. ahhh
runnn
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 03, 2014, 01:18:53 AM
To clear up some confusion, the five steps to BT has to be something that's doable by all three characters... fact

Think of the things that each of the three characters can't do or does in a different way... these things are not one of the five steps.

For instance: the sorcerer floats over the red bush, the rogue burns the bush, the brigand uses sword on the bush, therefore the bush is NOT one of the steps (number 4).

The reference to fire and white lightning (moonshine), all three characters can roast the moonshiner, so this is likely, or possibly, the step concerning fire.

In closing, the clues thus far given are cryptic. Trying to get concrete answers from cryptic clues isn't likely possible. You must derive cryptic answers to cryptic clues.

I know the bush isnt the fire part, im just sad that all character paths cant light it on fire! is all,  brig should use the same alcohol etc,  mage should cast flame,  not float  I wanna watch fire and roast a marshmallow on it

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 04, 2014, 07:32:22 AM
5.  You're on track.  You have the necessary means necessary means to complete the task, and double X doesn't mark a spot - you do.  Double X, well, you'll have to wait to find out what that means.



Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 04, 2014, 11:49:54 AM
You're on the right track with your early work, but step 5 and beyond... well... the bookcase comes here, and back to Dodson.  You'll have to go Jonestown on this one.... and then solve what's beyond.

The last step is the final step - everyone's final resting place, of at least somewhere inside it.  XX doesn't mark the spot, but you do.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 04, 2014, 08:30:50 PM
oh roger now I know how i got the pm in my email haha
ive done that before garr

yea urmm
well the quote  dodgson  we have dodgson here, was for sure a JP reference, not LC

but if you read my really long posts in the other bt thread I do talk and post quotes from the old  nirvana state of mind look in the mirror see that all things never die etc just go to this plane of existance where bt must be

idk
i over think things so I took a break being pensive without thinking if that makes sense, like when you think of your best ideas on the toilet because you just kinda let go

if it is lewis the only thing that springs to mind is tea and mad hatter, not sure on the mirror or what not
but ill dig back into the game when my family life settles a bit

hit me up garr you got my email and pm :P
we can dooo it

if jonestown is the key,  mass suicide? poison?  drinking swamp water? idk
truly

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 04, 2014, 09:43:46 PM
Heh, yeah, this is a search for external clues, no doubt....

Those who know, will... type the correct answer.

The correct answer? Go ask alice when she's ten feet tall.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 04, 2014, 10:15:45 PM
whats even more odd about this is my signature

"larger than life and twice as natural" is a quote from through the looking glass when she gets bigger!

larger than life and twice as real" but still

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/24389/large-as-life-and-twice-as-natural (http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/24389/large-as-life-and-twice-as-natural)
odd how awesome is that? lol

ask alice when she is 10 feet tall... grrr
ty bt for another hint

appreciated
will get back on the qfi bt hunt  boat asap
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 04, 2014, 10:26:13 PM
wait a minute

thats a jefferson airplane quote!
i love that song

go ask alice!!! aka white rabbit

please dont tell me its something we type in backwards!
like the white knight

thats an lsd song there lol

oh i feel im soo close, ahh garrr ! jefferson airplane   red team go go go

drink me?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 04, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
try DRINK ME
it goes with keep hydrated
if not there are a few other things i have to try
hit me up
my save isnt near the end yet, grr
just started back over

to make SURE i didnt skip annnything in terms of even speaking muchless cutscenes
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Longsunrise on September 04, 2014, 11:59:54 PM
when does Alice become 10 feet tall?  when she nibbles on the cake that says EAT ME...

I was also thinking of the XX =20 but Bt's hint points back to the graveyard(s)...I'm wondering if XX is an allusion to killing someone, since a cartoonist would draw X's for eyes on someone who is dead....   X_X
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 05, 2014, 12:48:27 AM
lol yea i mentioned the eyes to garr in a mail,
saying it looked like dead eyes

lol but no, when alice is small she eats the cake,
when she is tall,  she finds the drink me bottle to get smaller again,
but much is said in the book in terms of lines vs just the song
but that was a ref to the song for SURE no doubt in my widdle mind

so when alice is tall , drink me,  small  eat me

drink me would be the proper choice also given stay hydrated is a clue somehow

missing it would be a grave mistake, was a clue, so yea grave, but bt did say the book comes into play here

maybe some tie with that song and the graves,  again in space quest 2 IA one had to dangle from a vine to get a lsl flashback
hmm

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 05, 2014, 02:32:38 AM
Kal is barking up the right tree.

XX doesn't have to do with death, I can say that.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 05, 2014, 06:30:04 AM
you far enough to try drink me?

im sure its not that simple,
did you see how bts hint was almost an exact quote from the great white rabbit song?
yeaaa
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 05, 2014, 10:15:40 AM
Steps 1-3 must be completed before the book.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 05, 2014, 11:59:42 AM
all caps or all lowercase, whatever, doesn't matter.  But the next step will be revealed if you've completed the first steps properly before entering the text in the box.

Kal is on the right track with the phrase.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 05, 2014, 02:39:50 PM
I walk away for a few days and you all are on the doorstep.  Nice work by all.  Great clues as always Bt.
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 05, 2014, 06:28:59 PM
Coming in late here, but BT's clues about finding himself -- Jonestown, White Rabbit, etc. -- would lead me to believe that Roehm needs to drink/take "something" to put him into an altered state.  An out-of-body experience?  Hence the way-out and wacky fight screen background...

Almost drug-induced, perhaps?  And could the "XX" be a reference to the effects of this "self-medication"?  Cartoon X's over the eyes typically signify death, but also being knocked out cold.

(At first I thought it was something about Roehm having to kill himself, but BT says it's not about death.)

And it appears BT is located in a "virtual" bar...


Far away from a computer that can play QFI at the moment and just playing catch-up on the forum posts, but wanted to put in my two ¢...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 05, 2014, 07:14:11 PM
cant find a way to bottle the swamp water thad do the trick

but in terms of drink me, maybe drinking water from a flask then typing something idk

ahh on track of the quote , just not sure how to take it, as a song ref or as a ref from the song to alice,
as alice grows about 5 times in 2 books, not just once..
grrr

if its the song,  has to be something odd
but yea alice did drink to get smaller also she said curiouser and curiouser a lot in that mix of the first morph but not in the later ones.. grr

garrr

I know you think you can find lots in the hex, and you can, but unless you have the sourcefiles from the ags studio, you wont find anything this run like space quest 2 people did lol
sooo yea all you will find is the books and what they say, not the answers those will be in code that one cant read   even bt said this run hex editing wont lead you to that answer they learned from sq2 
or was it someone else on the team shrug

it does exist, or this thread wouldnt  though wouldnt that be a nice joke lol
nahh
they arent that cruel!
.. rubs chin.. or areee they lol nahh

btw garrr bt said if you did all the previous steps the next step will reveal itself when doing the book

my question which is prolly a give away is if its
1. more than one word
2. backwards

both would suck! lol


waves fist

I think im still stuck on step 2, not knowing what that fully is, but I MIGHT have the last everything

sing it boysss

your my first... my last... my everyyyythinnnga''
ahem

or *cough   ROHEM   excuse me got a bad cold from that south wind in volksville, damned valley winds always kick up my allergies
Title: Re: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 05, 2014, 08:18:02 PM
Coming in late here, but BT's clues about finding himself -- Jonestown, White Rabbit, etc. -- would lead me to believe that Roehm needs to drink/take "something" to put him into an altered state.  An out-of-body experience?  Hence the way-out and wacky fight screen background...

Almost drug-induced, perhaps?  And could the "XX" be a reference to the effects of this "self-medication"?  Cartoon X's over the eyes typically signify death, but also being knocked out cold.

(At first I thought it was something about Roehm having to kill himself, but BT says it's not about death.)

And it appears BT is located in a "virtual" bar...


Far away from a computer that can play QFI at the moment and just playing catch-up on the forum posts, but wanted to put in my two ¢...

damn bt said its not about death this run in terms of killing yourself, doh
there goes that theory

and yea virtual bar,  nirvana bar idk mid rift time warp bar, whatever,
prolly the bar at the end of the universe, just a thought

grr so we have all steps up to 5 and im really close with the help of you fine folks and the many clues

we almost have this
and again please if you figure it out, dont spam to the world, let us try to sort it!
id appreciate that

if its possible

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 05, 2014, 08:52:04 PM
5.  You're on track.  You have the necessary means necessary means to complete the task, and double X doesn't mark a spot - you do.  Double X, well, you'll have to wait to find out what that means.



Bt

hmm got a feeling its not literally 2 x's

http://jimmyakin.com/2005/08/doublex_marks_t.html (http://jimmyakin.com/2005/08/doublex_marks_t.html)

is this close? where xx can be a variable

but then there are bridges or fences that look like X's but one is said to mark the double x not it marking you

where we all end up and where all things may end up,  dirt, ground, coffee grounds? time.. late.. grrr
if this is a specific time of day thing oh no no
hope not, lol
its like only on day 12 at night you type in a word after crossing all the bridges and then ahh
lol
i can feel it in our hands, wait no thats poop let me go wash up..
eww damn outhouse
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 05, 2014, 09:07:17 PM
Is burning the moonshiner only possible if you've done all the previous steps?
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Longsunrise on September 05, 2014, 10:01:43 PM
Is burning the moonshiner only possible if you've done all the previous steps?

Hey Miriya,

You don't have to do the steps to find Bt in order to burn the moonshiner - just click the sword icon on him when you find him in Act 2.

I only stumbled on this when I was restoring some old save games I had (on runs I had not done step 1 & 2).
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 05, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
You don't have to do the steps to find Bt in order to burn the moonshiner - just click the sword icon on him when you find him in Act 2.

When I do that, he just runs off.  I tried it before and after getting the money, with and without stealth mode, and any other combination I could think of.  My infamy's at 225 at that point, so I don't think that's it.  What am I missing?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 06, 2014, 12:16:06 AM
its kinda simple yet  .. hell the first time i didnt even mean to do it

when you send him off to get his money,  just use the sword icon on him as he walks away and POW
zap!

whats odd is  .. not sure if its a bug, but I got infamy for messing with him, then let him go and zap kill and more infamy, then I could still break his stuff for more..
odd  breaking the stuff when he is gone and dead already.. lol

just before he runs to far off, (near the bridge) yep i said bridge... hope thats not a BT clue there ffs in those woods  where thou cannot cross
just use the attack icon on him and tada
let me/us know if that zapped him for ya

first time i was just fooling around.. haha

to bad ya cant pee in the volksville water supply, or poison a bee to kill the hive, so many thoughts I haveith'
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 06, 2014, 12:28:56 PM
You don't have to do the steps to find Bt in order to burn the moonshiner - just click the sword icon on him when you find him in Act 2.

When I do that, he just runs off.  I tried it before and after getting the money, with and without stealth mode, and any other combination I could think of.  My infamy's at 225 at that point, so I don't think that's it.  What am I missing?


You need to have stuff to burn him with...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 06, 2014, 02:05:26 PM
You don't have to do the steps to find Bt in order to burn the moonshiner - just click the sword icon on him when you find him in Act 2.

When I do that, he just runs off.  I tried it before and after getting the money, with and without stealth mode, and any other combination I could think of.  My infamy's at 225 at that point, so I don't think that's it.  What am I missing?

You need to have stuff to burn him with...

I figured out why it wasn't working.  I had the tinderbox and alcohol, but it's actually the flint that provides the trigger.  Is there a particular reason why the tinderbox won't do it and the flint is necessary?  For everything else that burns, the tinderbox has worked just fine.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 06, 2014, 02:39:28 PM
I never thought of that. Rarely bought the tinderbox or even used it. However, there is a use for the tinderbox. Save, then combine tinderbox with smaller flint  :o

Hahaha!  That was great! 
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 06, 2014, 03:33:14 PM
You've forgotten a step.  The gadget.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 06, 2014, 05:29:38 PM
Step 3... numbers. Gadgets. Find a gadget with numbers. Any number, pick a number, Pick Douglas Adams favorite number! It doesn't matter whether you win or lose, but if you play the game.

Does this just mean to play with the ATM and any numbers would work? 

Step 5 - Remember - EVERYONE ends up here.. or near here, or in here. Somethings have eternity to wait, but you don't. XX marks the spot. Tie it together.

So this seems like it would be in or near the graveyard.

Bt likes you to pay attention;  give credit where credit is due.  He also likes numbers and he likes fire.

Be patient and be hydrated.

I'd say the semicolon means that watching the intro and giving credit are part of the same step.  Do the rest refer to the four remaining steps?  Numbers, fire, patient, hydrated?

You're on the right track with your early work, but step 5 and beyond... well... the bookcase comes here, and back to Dodson.  You'll have to go Jonestown on this one.... and then solve what's beyond.

The last step is the final step - everyone's final resting place, of at least somewhere inside it.  XX doesn't mark the spot, but you do.

"To mark" can mean to urinate on something.

The path of the righteous dude is beset on all sides by a series of events.  It starts before you even start, and follows the rule of three.

Bt likes numbers and gadgets. You should too.

Sometimes, you can escape the fire, but others can't.

Those who know? Dodgson knows. Dodgson tells.

Finally, you'll say "finally" and then sigh with relief.

You'll have to traverse the world to put it all together.

Ok, what's the rule of three?  I can't figure out where this ties in.

So what I've got so far:

1)  Watch the whole intro, including the credits
2)  Use numbers in something gadgety  (the ATM?)
3)  Set the moonshiner on fire
4)  Type in the "those who know" book (but what, I'm not sure)
5)  Urinate on something, perhaps the rug in the house in the graveyard

Am I on the right track?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 06, 2014, 05:49:24 PM
This seems to make more sense:

1-2)  Watch the whole intro, including the intro credits
3)  Use numbers in something gadgety  (the ATM?)
4)  Set the moonshiner on fire
5)  Type in the "those who know" book (but what, I'm not sure)

Elsewhere in these threads, and quite early, it was posted that Dodgson knows.

But those are only four steps.  And how do they answer the references to XX, being hydrated, or the place where everyone ends up?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 06, 2014, 05:59:03 PM
just think now.... 1 and 2 are done by doing two different things at the very start: Watching the intro credits, and Watching the epilogue where Roehm finally ends up outside Volksville.
I disagree.  I'm standing by my interpretation of "marking" as being a reference to the rug in the cemetery.  Does anyone else have ideas?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 06, 2014, 06:42:35 PM
As you list it, step 1-2 are just step 1.  Your step 3, garr is step 2, step 4 is step 3, step 5 is step 4.... the final step, miriya is very very close on!  Step 5 is perhaps the trickiest;  for those who are patient, you wait for XX to mark the spot.

1) Credits/Intro
2) Gadget
3) Fire
4) Those who know, will (Dodgson)
5) The Final Step for the patient.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 06, 2014, 07:34:01 PM
this was my thought to originally

that step 1 was done in the start but step 2... let open, 
in the case of the 2 part step 1,   it would be 2 steps for step 1.. lol

1a  1b  or 1 and 2

as for setting him on fire  just right off, yes i know that, but you dont get MORE infamy and you dont get the fun of saying  suure! just goooo get your money, then you say, nahhh and he turns around  poof zapp pooww!

can step
2 and 3  be changed or reversed? so could u do the fire then gadget? 

me personally miriya i dont think its got to do with a grave anymore, because not all things end up there, not everyone ends up there, not all things eventually might end up etc
as for marking or XX marking the spot, ooo close on that we are all so close on everything
oddly only 2 things u can pee on that i know of, wish you could into the aqueduct when hiding behind the statue thad be funny, pull an austin powers


thats like  dust, dirt, the earth, etc  not just a grave but one never knows
he has already gave the clue of the ten foot tall alice and asking her she knows..
that song has been playing like for a day solid now

 
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 06, 2014, 07:57:41 PM
Yay!  We're getting closer!  I'm really not sure where to go with the Alice in Wonderland or Jefferson Airplane references, but I am really curious which gadget will solve the next step.  Have we had any hints as to which it is?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 06, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
some would say way to many hints haha

but I LOVE this its like a 2nd game in a game, hope they do this like 2-3 times in the next one..
its truly some of the most fun ive had in game land  hunting down this bt and bar
or anything in such a way,

still looking for that pixel hunt in the tyr library too!
grr
it has to be really well hidden

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 07, 2014, 12:00:45 AM
Remember - someone has typed the exact phrase that is to be entered in the book within this thread.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 12:02:57 AM
someone has?

ahh  x 100  so its a phrase not a single word,  aka 2 or more words ahh nuuuooohh

that means someone guessed right but whoooo and we wont know it until that final patient step!

ahh bt ! lol

gaaaaaarrrr what did we type??
drink me?
is that really it
I tried will see  will know  etc
will shrink will grow will die will tell will wait will fall will find
loads of em
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 07, 2014, 02:29:37 AM
Anyone have an update on this?  And just to make sure I've got the order down right...


Prologue:


1. Watch Credits/Intro


Act I:


2. Gadget (ATM Machine?)


Act II (Once Rayford gives you quest):


3. Set fire to Moonshiner


4. Enter phrase in book... "Those who know, will ___________"


5. The Final Step for the patient


Also, bt mentioned earlier that if we typed in the correct phrase, then we would know it...  Has anyone received a response after typing a phrase?  When I tried it, nothing happened...  Didn't get any message, anyhow.  I'd love to get this figured out!!!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 07:44:41 AM
well
step 1 and 2 are kinda the same, though were stated as  2 steps for a bit now its just step 1a 1b

step 2 is the gadget ( though I heard U can do moonshiner then gadget vs the gadget then moonshiner) not confirmed though

step 3 moonshiner

4  phrase in book  (its been said here ahhhh)

5.  be patient one , xx will mark it, as in YOU will mark the object or thing not it is marked

ahhh!?

stuck on the part where we know the answer but DONT know which one of us said it

he sees  he knows   will drink me  will eat me  will ahh will scarlet oi!
no
..

its like a classroom shouting answers to a math problem and the teacher stops and slowly says someone in the class got it right, now go figure out which one of you said the right answer and which answer that was..
oh no charlie brown,
(hears teachers voice) waah wah wah wahhh wah wah wahhhh
yes maaam'
no maaam'
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 09:27:13 AM
my odd guess?

those who remained drugged with the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment — socialism.

opiates and that damned curtain at the smoke shop

also they were called
"white nights!" same as in the song and in the LC book (not books) only with nights not knights
White Nights Jones made frequent addresses to Temple members regarding Jonestown's safety, including statements that the CIA and other intelligence agencies were conspiring with "capitalist pigs" to destroy Jonestown and harm its inhabitants.After work, when purported emergencies arose, the Temple sometimes conducted what Jones referred to as "White Nights".


just a guess

you dont remember that happening? I was only 1 but, hey I know history, some used cyanide but most were on opium
shrug

altered states.. oh im a caveeeman,
note to self *  watch altered states
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 09:28:41 AM
The correct phrase huh? Not necessarily in one sentence but a combination of two smaller phrases? That would be a bit low!

Anyone try using sword on the fish on the wall? Sounds like a broken record.
to bad no infamy for it!
but i told ya there was a singing fish! thought that was the gadget.. at first

and tried spraying perfume everywhere in that place, wish u could just set it on fire
brittle wouldnt miss that place toooo much
where does that guy even sleep
eeww
helloooo ladies
come to my pad... uhh eww my gawd no (valley girl accent)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 10:35:23 AM
garrr no offense please dont take it this way

1. I mentioned the pillar in tyr library in a very old thread, I even said you can only see the list once then it doesnt let you again
its meaning is just for backers not anything else,

2.
dont think its urinating, thats the mark the spot, as again there is only 1 place to do so after act 1 that im aware of..

3.
we said the phrase! lets start a list of what we said since the last few pages,
i shot loooots out of my head, if one of those is right ahhh
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 07, 2014, 10:54:55 AM
Jonestown is an oblique reference to the answer to the book.

The final step is the where everyone ends up, eventually. As I said, XX doesn't mark the spot, but you do - but be patient before you do. 


And yes, you can technically do step 2 and 3 in any order, but those must be completed before step 4.


You guys are so close, it's driving ME nuts!


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 11:49:21 AM
its a team effort,
seems garrr and I are a dying here and others..

so jonestown was the ref for the book , as in alice ten feet tall, what ties that in ahh
all i can see is white nights or drinking poison grrrrrr gaaaaaaaar!

we said something or someone here guessed it

lets make a list of what was said!! ahhckk

cheers bt

btw why does that gnoll have ur bong :P
haha
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 12:14:35 PM
he is just bored and misunderstood!
yeaaa thats it!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 07, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
Trying to find BT... Made me think of another Alice quote...

The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 07, 2014, 01:03:43 PM
I just meant that this quest is making us mad, lol
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 01:07:41 PM
lol garrr take a break with the eyes and the monitor!

I meant like a list of
1.
2.
3.
insert things that would be used as phrases,
bt did say we stated it already

this was soon after my post but many others,
still trying to piece together jonestown and alice  if that odd connection can be found, even if jonestown wasnt a direct ref more askew than literal.. we got this next step
my game keeps bugging out on me, prolly doing things to fast or in the wrong order
or maxing stats early in game n such

EDIT:  natewolfe
but you ARE onto something,
mad, hell even mayor of tyr mentions TEA .. rohem thanks for the .. urmm ...tea

alice being ten feet tall, jefferson airplane, white K*Nights  might refer to jonestown also but I think I need to just sit back and not look at the game to think a bit

doing some light reading
hope someone sheds light on what we typed or ill just sort the lists when I post next
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 07, 2014, 01:10:35 PM
I bet you we're reading too much into it... I remember when I was trying to figure out the mystery in True Detective, coming up with all these wild theories... And all the while the solution was simple and right in front of my eyes. If BT says we already said it here, I'm pretty sure he's being literal. We'll just have to have a save point at the library of Tyr, and try a bunch of the above phrases.

Also... Do you have to get it right on the first try? Is there a noise or some indication if you get it right???
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 07, 2014, 01:18:35 PM

EDIT:  natewolfe
but you ARE onto something,
mad, hell even mayor of tyr mentions TEA .. rohem thanks for the .. urmm ...tea

I think Roehm was just being snarky... He was invited up for some tea and then the mayor didn't give him any...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 01:22:16 PM
well look at steps 1/2 i mean

really, to figure that out, well literally i just read the posts from the crew,
got the relieved comment,
asked right up if that was the answer

yep

so thinking it was something much more intense  he likes you to watch, etc
i was sitting on screens waiting for like 20 min per screen just to see if something would happen if i just waited

as for the tea,.. well yea
but the game has massive infulences from many sources outside gaming life
some will never be understood by players while some might just get in sync with the devs and crew
lol
idk

all i can say is .. awesome and great and funny brains went into this magic gem
called infamous studios
and qfi

lol

but on the last 2 steps they wont be as easy, i know this
esp that last one

how about this to pass the time, its what im reading atm, as this thread lead to the kool-aid mentality
aka just go with it, jonestown way

so im a reading this
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Kool-Aid_Acid_Test]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Kool-Aid_Acid_Test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Kool-Aid_Acid_Test)[/url]

yaya
in the bath right now on my waterproof lappy
oh kals necked! runn furr dem hiiiilllss
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 01:32:34 PM
lol nope

thats for sure the semi secret pee death
which is funny, i linked a utube vid of it

it dehydrates you to pee and not drink
again this is where drink me, and jonestown might come in.. idk shh im reading cant  u see that!?
lol

hug♥
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 02:03:14 PM
no no
totally different secret that bt claims no one will find  or really not likely and its not a book

pixel hunt and a joke for someone else i believe he said

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 07, 2014, 03:11:43 PM
Two people typed the correct phrase for the "Those who know, will...." part on the last page.

If you've completed the previous steps, something should pop up after you type the phrase.


As for the last.... stay hydrated before you pursue the last part.  Be patient; XX patient. Mark the spot.

Sit back. Enjoy the show.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 07, 2014, 09:11:28 PM
Apparently we get some sort of in-game feedback if we've typed in the correct words into the book after doing all the previous steps correctly.  We know we have to watch the credits and eventually burn the moonshiner, but we don't know anything about this gadget yet.  If it is the ATM, which numbers do we use?  Will we get some in-game feedback if we've used the right numbers at that step? 

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 09:14:40 PM
im guessing, the guy next to the book case slaps you
calls you a ninnie then exits saying something like youll never find him muhahaha

then you follow the a hole in the desert where u will need water
yeaa thats it!

lol

ok so 2 people have said the right answer on page 7 paragraph 1  line 3  ooops old copyright just kicked in lol

uhhh

ok "making a filterrr maakking a fillter" *biodome    BT biodome ref?  "sherman tank?" "mom! let me out, o or at least slide another pancake under the door"

btw all he didnt say if he was one of the two!!

ahh
nuts n bolts
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 09:15:59 PM
Apparently we get some sort of in-game feedback if we've typed in the correct words into the book after doing all the previous steps correctly.  We know we have to watch the credits and eventually burn the moonshiner, but we don't know anything about this gadget yet.  If it is the ATM, which numbers do we use?  Will we get some in-game feedback if we've used the right numbers at that step?
as far as i know. no other steps give you feedback

trying to wake from a nap, get some smokes, and make a list of page 7 and mayybe 6 of all we typed
get ur helmets on INCOMINNNG
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 09:19:38 PM
Trying to find BT... Made me think of another Alice quote...

The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

this seems promising,

will be mad?
will come here?
will drink me
will drink poison
will follow the white rabbit
will ANYTHING   (they say one can find anything in the tyr boooks  ok jk)
will talk backwards
will wait
will see
will know

alll tried
ahh
can ya feel that taste in your mouth and throat, thats victory, tastes like an old baseball mit... red robin yummmm

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Longsunrise on September 07, 2014, 10:44:39 PM

As for the last.... stay hydrated before you pursue the last part.  Be patient; XX patient. Mark the spot.

Sit back. Enjoy the show.


Bt

Be patient...or eXtra eXtra patient?  As in "extra extra, read all about it" (aka the news)?


Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 07, 2014, 11:08:13 PM
I'll take a look at the responses from the other page later and get back to you all with my thoughts... Seriously, it's going to be something simple. I'll bet it's either "drink me" or the "twice the size" quote
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 07, 2014, 11:08:32 PM
Part 5 will become evident if we can figure out part 4...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 07, 2014, 11:19:31 PM
From bt's clues, it sounds like part 5 has something to do with a graveyard or crypt (my guess is that the secret area is inside one of the crypts we can't open). You probably have to drink something, and probably urinate on something... Maybe multiple times. Also it may involve waiting while...

Anyway, bt was saying that 5 would become evident once you figured out 4, I believe... So honestly, I think we should all collectively stop trying to figure out 5 until we're sure we've figured out 4... I'm pretty sure we're wasting our time at the moment... Just my 2 pennies...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 07, 2014, 11:48:38 PM
woah first things first fellas and ladies

step 4 :P

then talk step 5

bt already said it has nothing to do with death,
but one never knows

again i think its more simple than all that , so simple its hard

ive done all steps up to the book, cant seem to find the correct phrase and If i did, then it must not be the safe or fish as the gadget or my game is bugged to hell
iiii dk

longsunrise
dont read to much into the XX
just a variable imo
could be YY ZZ anything really
if im correct anyway

reading all the posts on the previous pages, only drink me and we're all mad here came up more than once from fans,
ahh

twice the size? when was that said?

just curious, 10 foot tall would mean alice is only 5 foot even, almost a midget!

oh another thing that was said was  "talking backwards"  2 times
but i tried these
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 03:05:35 AM
question

1.
Are we correct on the gadget

2.
Can it be done in act 1 or must it be done in act 2

3.
Can we enter more than one time without missing bt? example  42 and 666 etc or just once

4. the book,
can we try more than once to enter the phrase?
or do we just get one shot

5. if we save the game when the book says INPUT and load, will this cause the game to not count the phrase if we guessed correctly?

that might be an issue as i save, then load with the book open for input.

"feed your head?"
its not drink me but ahh
any other thoughts fellow fans?

or crew :P

last question

How many hints does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of an IQ bar? lol
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 03:10:03 AM
Yeah, since the gadget has to be done 1st, if we are doing it incorrectly, hypothetically we could be entering the correct phrase into the book and having it not work....

I thought I read somewhere bt said just use the ATM, code/pin doesn't matter, but maybe I'm wrong... Do we need to input a certain number? That would make more sense...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 04:02:02 AM
woah way to far out

1st
we dont know if entering more than one number will fail this bt hunt..
is what im saying

2nd
almost everyone knows what "douglas adams fav number would mean" though its not his fav number, just in the few books

3rd
again bt said you can do moonshiner 1st or gadget first  either way,
so my questions still stand,

can you do the gadget in act 1 or not
will it count if we enter a few numbers in act 1 then try again in act 2
can we save during the book input being open and will that mess stuff up if we restore while its open

just trying to clear things up not solve the next mystery fellas lol
cheers tho

still irks me we here guessed this phrase, but somehow either its not working, or its incorrect and trust me i typed everything from page 1 to now
nothing worked so far, so its why im trying to clear up a few things

also im hoping an incoming patch on steam wont ruin the bt hunt

let us know fellow crew/devs

would suck if entering the number in the safe in act 1 ruined it if we tried again in act 2 just to make sure we did it,  aka 2 entries or more = fail?
same as book 2 or more = fail? 
save during book open = fail?

etc

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 04:32:10 AM
What number are you entering on the safe/ATM?

Also, I'm playing the version from GOG and my game is not very buggy at all... Only glitch I've noticed so far is not being able to get pond scum for smoke bombs as a Sorcerer... Maybe try that version? I tend to stay away from Steam, prefer GOG...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 04:34:44 AM
Hey... I'm out of town and don't have my computer with me... Someone try this on the book: "go ask Alice when she's ten feet tall."
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 04:41:07 AM
ATM number is 3 digits, correct? Is there an option for zero? So we could use 042?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 06:14:52 AM
didnt work for me
in the book i mean


as for the digits
as garrr and bt said, it can be anything, .. anything..
even the correct atm card digits from QFI bank cards he seemed to claim would work fine

my questions are about if we can do it in act 1 or if more than once messes it up etc

no worries, 1 time .. any number should work fine, 42 isnt special to the safe, its just a number bt picked as an example.

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 08, 2014, 07:36:06 AM
You can keep putting in numbers over and over and over into the atm machine.  It wont change your chances of finding Bt.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 08, 2014, 08:23:28 AM
And don't ignore XX.

Death is peripherally related, but it's not about dying.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 10:31:34 AM
Yes.... We're on a snipe hunt
Title: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 01:20:33 PM
Feels like a snipe hunt, but apparently there's a rare species of Blackthorne hiding in a cyber bar around these parts... If we can only find him!

I'm thinking step 5 would be something in the graveyard, just based off of BT's clues... No, not death but maybe related? The XX makes me think you have to wait in 2 different spots? Mark your territory in 2 different spots? Pee on 2 different graves? Lol

Oh but stay hydrated!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 08, 2014, 01:34:50 PM
Oh but stay hydrated!


In the prologue, pee on the beast after you kill it (by using the attack cursor) about 10 times...see what happens.  :)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 08, 2014, 01:36:18 PM
Heheh - well, it's only a snipe hunt if there's nothing to catch!  But I promise you - there is here!


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 01:36:48 PM
Lol I will. I heard you pass out from dehydration or something? That's what made us believe that maybe the XX was "marking your territory" in 2 different places?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 08, 2014, 02:22:28 PM
Nope.  Just one place.  But, be patient.  XX doesn't mark the spot; YOU do.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 02:52:08 PM
So you be patient and mark your territory somewhere? Maybe on a grave?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 02:52:57 PM
And WE mark the spot? Not some landmark...? So we have to stand somewhere specific?

On a side note, it's funny how when you stand in one place Roehm scratches his butt, lol
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 08, 2014, 02:59:24 PM
Nate Wolf is getting closer, and closer.... but remember, steps 1-4 must be completed first.

Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 03:09:36 PM
Boo yah
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 03:18:00 PM
Now it's time to go examine some tombstones! Also, we need to make sure we have part 4 right... We're on the right track but I don't think we have it quite right yet
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 08, 2014, 03:46:38 PM
Tombstones?  Getting colder, Nate.

Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 03:49:48 PM
Ah ok... So a place we all end up eventually, no matter what? I was thinking this was an allusion to the graveyard, but you've continually said this isn't about death... Maybe Tyr? We all end up here eventually... It's the only way to beat the game...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 03:59:46 PM
Yes, you're right... Was going against my own advice there! So... Alice...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 08, 2014, 05:03:02 PM
regarding "the gadget", you will - apparently - need this number to proceed in your quest.


33203291

And.... in step four, if you've entered the correct phrase, you'll know. And you'll only have one shot at it, as well - if you fail, you cannot try again that game. 

The answers you seek for beyond are somewhere here; I've said them before.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 05:13:48 PM
ahh


see i knew it

I think im done with this one fellas,
not because it isnt fun but kinda led astray on some parts

told we could enter any number into the safe, now we are told it has to be a specific number
annnd
that we can only enter it once,
and the book can only be entered once one shot or we are screwed even on restore?
is all that true?

if so no wonder it never works

let me/us know bt,

did putting in the number 42 in the safe, then trying a few things in the book restoring each time really force us to restart the entire game?

please dont say yes on that one

Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 05:14:21 PM
I much prefer self flagellation compared to this news!

if this is true...
yeaaa

only one try for all of it no restore?
uhh

yea..
no
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 05:15:55 PM
Oh but stay hydrated!


In the prologue, pee on the beast after you kill it (by using the attack cursor) about 10 times...see what happens.  :)
aww like i said, I even linked the video of it

but please dont say this is real, dont ..

uhhh

im like freaking out over here

cant save and restore if we got the wrong answer?
now we were told the safe is ok for any number, but now u need the bank number idk
the book where most save at, no wonder it wont work if you cant enter it more than once then its over game over man..
oh no please say thats not true
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 08, 2014, 05:17:49 PM
Heh.  This is what we used to call, back in the day, searching for a secret!  Well, at least this way, I get to interact with the dedicated fans on a daily basis.



Bt


PS - yes, you can restore.... this may be hard and crazy, but it's not THAT unforgiving.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 05:26:07 PM
ohhhh
 jebus u scared me

I was like just ONE shot per GAME! ahh lol

my head almost hit my desk!

as for the gadget do we all go back and enter that number you put or was that a joke giving a bank card number or something

oh damn sorry for the double post, one was just supposed to be saying that I recorded the vid of the pee death long ago its great stuff, haha
everyone should do it at least once

so bt
do we need to load before the book, go back and do the gadget with that correct numba?
then go BACK to the book?
coulda been why no phrase worked and again I tried everythin' in this thread
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 05:54:23 PM
ok so bt and crew

if my closest save is act 1, grr save early save often people
and..
the newest save is with the phrase book OPEN, but I need to go back to the gadget to enter that long number to continue the bt quest,

will walking away from that book without inputting a phrase count as trying to?
should i be starting from end act 1 save then?

also why couldnt I take bly out of tyr fountain, just says refreshing water etc, or dont use anything on the fountain! etc where my old saves allowed me to take the bly and toss bly in,
and use water vial on it also,

my main concern isnt the bly though,

let me know which save I should reload, grr shoulda saved befooore opening the book

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 06:06:12 PM
So the correct steps are:

1. Watch opening/intro credits & play prologue
2. Go to bank in Tyr and putting number 33203291 into the ATM
ACT 2:
3. Burn moonshiner
4. Put phrase in book
5. Find location, wait, etc. (unknown)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 06:20:03 PM
I GOT THE PHRAASEEE

and yes it pops up some odd friggen codes that will help with the next step
hmmm

checking on it now

BT
i gots it!!!

muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ahem cough choke

"oh no mr rohem has forgotten how he handles confrontation! look at manual page 99" etc
btw that doesnt exist this is the 5th .. piece and puzzle

whoop
onwardss!

now wtf is this !
hahaha
nowww where was I
oh right this odd puzzle whoop!
it was due to that bank code people, it has to be the backers bank code in order to find bt,
not a random number :P
and the bank code does give infamy score also

go team go
help me on this last step
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 06:23:41 PM
Heheh - well, it's only a snipe hunt if there's nothing to catch!  But I promise you - there is here!


Bt

ahem oh yep its there i can confirm that

but a snipe hunt means nothing is there
used to do them with boyscouts and it was just dads tossing rocks as we held bags like idiots thinking snipes existed
lol

go red team goo goo
got the phrase ontoooo step 5 people come with me!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 06:32:37 PM
ok im really stuck on the last one

is it one at at time, or press enter each one?
ahh

nuts n bolts ur right this one is the hardest step

give me dat fake manual!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 06:47:41 PM
just noticed after a few tries that the wording changes on the secret page

urmm
not sure if there are certain answer per the  devious dirtbag vs say Fighters Frenzy
etc

yea i tried DD and FF and things a fighter would do vs a dirtbag, ahh

tried  fight  B  be patient defend, A  traverse the world both escape and magic
hydrate, well thats gotta be drink, sigh with relief also has to be converse,
all together, well there isnt enough room for all of that so i picked either magic or sneak,

crossing bridges looked like magic or bribe as in a toll

am i even close?
is it enter 1 letter or 2 then enter and get a new page?
complete all and then it takes u?
hopes not!
lol
oh tell me im really close

so far I have for either entry (not sure if it changes) or how long it is

Be on time= Fight (seems logical)
Be patient= defend (also seems logical)
traverse the world = escape  as the icon is running
hydrate= drink  easy one
sigh with relief= confer
tie all together =  well dont know this, sneak looks like it would be it or magic, or all entries in one but wont fit
cross bridges= bribe  aka toll

BAHFED is what i have tried and a few others
but if X X is not to be ignored then  Fighters Frenzy  aka FF or DD devious dirtbag well .. idk
any help here yet
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 08, 2014, 07:05:01 PM
Yes, different code combinations pop up every time you use the book.  Unfortunately, I don't believe it tells you either if you entered the correct code.... but the correct codes can be found.  You just have to find them - though not inside the game.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 07:17:01 PM
Oh I'm jealous! Can't wait to try a few phrases! Was it easy to find? One of the few we guessed here?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 07:32:41 PM
Yes, different code combinations pop up every time you use the book.  Unfortunately, I don't believe it tells you either if you entered the correct code.... but the correct codes can be found.  You just have to find them - though not inside the game.


Bt

inside the computer? smashes it, nope wasnt in there

not in the game? and different for each one? aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
no wonder u said this was the hardest one

mages mindgame = qfi 1 mage maze?
am i even close, 
each one would have a word spelt in it.. is my assumption with letters a-g
gaaww
so there is even a final step after that to cross a bridge or hold it,
even after the book! ARRRGG

ok so answers cant be found in the game, but maybe in the forums or other advents?

aww commmee on! first the misinformed any number works on the safe, now this!
lol
you sure?!
juuust want to be sure

haha
oh my heaaaaad I got this far

and yes mate its been said over n over, the phrase i mean..
very easy, that one i had guessed LONG ago, just the safe wasnt correct so thats why the phrase didnt work

now stuck here wondering if i should crack open my older qfg games to find manuals or hell icons or something

devious dirtbag, fighter frenzy, mages mindgame,  urmm there are a few,
so you are saying each one has its specific correct answer for the book??
doh

edit: you must insert that code bt  gave first its the backers bank code , it will say grats you are a backer or stole someones card, infamy will be given then the phrase will work,
if you have guessed a phrase already RELOAD,
before you guessed or no the book wont work

just waiiit until you get to the next bloody step,
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 07:34:05 PM
I have manuals for all QFG games... Let me know if you want PDF copies, I can email you...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
oh yes please do

oh my email is in my profile durr

I do believe this has to do with the classes in the previous qfg games

like mindless mage, = mage class for maze
fighter frenzy= fighter path
devious dirtbag = thief,
but I really cant seem to put them together

oh there is a 4th so paladin?

problem is that there are only 5 icons
or its a monty pyton quote from the 3 questions on the bridge of deaathh

what is your name,
etc same as the gargoyle in qfg
malix .. = magic?
glory= glory symbol?
last answer is stefan.. odd steven :P
but thats not even the maze just the entry and thats just for mindless mage, im assuming ahh
my brain is over thinkin now? or on the right track

and im assuming that it wont tell you if you got it right so that you can do the last step in this either?

idk
cant remember what fighthers or thieves had to do
only the mage.. as im always a mage first then thief..
grr

i do remember a scene for the fighter when he just keeps pressing attack icon over n over until all green gobs are dead.. but i tried fight on all, didnt seem to do anything..
oh come on ! am I far off or warm, 
animal vegetable or mineral bt?!
lol
i can almost smell that bar
eww
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 08:37:14 PM
oh my could it be this simple

so example

hybrids harangue

harangue being a speech  aka confer
hybrid being a mixture of 2 things  (tried drinking and magic) 
if its that simple

devious dirtbag     devious can mean long way or roundabout, like walking the long way home, or underhanded tactics like tossing sand in faces in this case id think escape
dirtbag seems it would be sneak, as it has a bag  and collector with INITIALS TK :P  what be the tk?
take?

arggh is anything i said close.. ooo bath time I suppose

let me know when someone gets to the symbols pages so far ive found 5 different ones i believe
each with its own answer im assuming has only 2 symbols just a guess, could be all of em..
ack

also if you click the sword icon on yourself, it says "you consider floggin the flaggon but now is not the time"   ahh hold it?
i drank 99 bottles of water after entering what i think are a few right answers,
tried in try fountain, to make me need to pee, tried in cemetery house, tried on the tree bridge where the white rabbit always takes ya  tried near the outhouse,

would peeing on the rug in prologue ruin the bt hunt?
argg prolly not the correct answers in the symbols
seems it IS word oriented though, nothing to do with anything BUT those words meanings
again harangue being confer, or speaking,
oh god i hope the mages maze is at the end of all this that would rock

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 08, 2014, 09:54:44 PM
Heh.  Finding the answers is probably more simple than you think - you probably won't deduce them, but if you search for them you may find them.

Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 09:59:59 PM
I'll be there relatively soon... May take me a day or two but if you can send me some screen caps id be glad to help you earlier... I have a legal research background, I'm pretty good at this sort of thing...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 08, 2014, 10:01:35 PM
Heh.  Finding the answers is probably more simple than you think - you probably won't deduce them, but if you search for them you may find them.

Bt
search .. for them..
hmm
not in game,
yea google is my enemy, on this one so many things
urmm

dont tell me like magic is really SLAYERs logo or something like that..

agghh
bet the secret area is the toilet tho, usually most end up there lol
or bed :P
if not dead

but cooome on bt!

ok ok, breathe in .. breathe out... uhhhuhhh bush...
what?
no!
how many cookies?

zzz niziit zz   uh oh I think kals on the fritz marge!


grrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 08, 2014, 10:24:01 PM
You could find the answer you seek using this very page we're on.


Bt
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 08, 2014, 10:35:49 PM
I do believe this has to do with the classes in the previous qfg games

like mindless mage, = mage class for maze
fighter frenzy= fighter path
devious dirtbag = thief,
but I really cant seem to put them together

oh there is a 4th so paladin?

problem is that there are only 5 icons

Ah, so THAT'S where you put those, BT!

I was a little concerned when I never found them in the regular play-through; I thought you may have decided against using them, or didn't have time to put them into the game... at least not for v1.0!   ;)
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 08, 2014, 10:43:30 PM
dirtbag seems it would be sneak, as it has a bag  and collector with INITIALS TK :P  what be the tk?
take?

I have NO clue how to get as far as you guys have (beyond step 3), but I can tell you that the symbol with the TK just stands for "Thieves' Kit" -- no hidden meaning there.  It's just initials that represent the tools of the trade for the Thief/Rogue classes...

(When I designed these symbols, I had to have some way of denoting what the funny instruments sticking out of the bag were...)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 08, 2014, 10:48:36 PM
Makes sense
Title: Re: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 09, 2014, 01:16:52 AM

Ah, so THAT'S where you put those, BT!

I was a little concerned when I never found them in the regular play-through; I thought you may have decided against using them, or didn't have time to put them into the game... at least not for v1.0!   ;)

so you know on this site where those are?
i looked everywhere i could think, profile edits, blogs, links, calendar,

did you figure out the phrase also goatmeal?
maybe a hint on how I can find it on this very page (not emotes) read all manuals, about section ahh
am I really overlooking such obvious stuff

oh and TK in dnd meant tool kit, even for a thief just sayin

I can find one icon on this site, the IQS icon,

as for this 5th step, really bt how many steps are there lol

next we will be drawing pictures in the sand talking to a squirrel asking him directions to the next clue haha
snipe hunt for sure, and this adventurer is losing sleep gaaaww
soo close i sweaaaaar

goat lemme know if you found the phrase
and well, ill keep searching THIS VERY PAGE, but ahh no

EDIT:
so i did search the forums for ICONS  literally, I did find a great ole little vid of the intellivision ver of QFI hahaha
aww happy baby! so cute, veryy awesome and cute

also goatmeal talking about his fonts and qfg4 copy protection stuffs transferred but nothing solid
"And I also designed the in-game copy protection symbols, based on my love of QFG4's five element icons for Dr. Cranium's formulas."
grrrarrrhhgg
gurrgle,
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 09, 2014, 02:43:30 AM
I went online searching for the font, hoping that the wingdings would be included, or maybe another font by Goatmeal that would have an answer... No such luck.  Close, but no cigar.  Nice font, though!


The FontStruction “Medieval Pixel” [/size](http://fontstruct.com/fontstructions/show/640368 (http://fontstruct.com/fontstructions/show/640368)) by “Goatmeal”



BT, when you mention the solution to cracking the code is listed somewhere on this page...  Any way to get another hint to what you're referring to?  I thought it may be the font, but apparently not so?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 09, 2014, 03:33:31 AM
the sad thing is

google is accessable from this very page lol

jk but really

even the search box in forums i did ICONS ICON SYMBOL SYMBOLS everything by goatmeal
wont even touch bt's 3k+ posts
thats lots!

if its a post, ahh
if its a faq or something.. where?
ahh!
braiiin draiin
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 09, 2014, 04:51:34 AM
well

shit
he was right
found it

not even hidden ! ahhhhhhhhhh
no no no
now what? ???

bt!!!! dammn u

haha so I know I did the right step,
so next is...

drinking water,  holding it and finding a place to draw? something? a picture or something but where and how ah my balls from all this water,
my guess on the next step,
to go around the ENTIRE map, prolly not every section, but long enough
fast travel and resting ruins it
so XX might indeed mean X min X seconds or 20 min wait, then pee on the carpet and AHHH relief
but no clue been walking around the map, always just says SOOO CLOSE
grr?
tie up my flagon with the noose or rope so i burst when i reach the rug after walking over every bridge and location? seems like more than a few minutes

nuts..
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 09, 2014, 07:38:18 AM
yea I know i have to
drink water
walk around for a bit (if you wait until any nightfall it wont work) ive tried)

not sure if this needs to happen near the end of act 2 or not, im at the start

XX patient   XX can mean  ahem.. masturbate, and you can use your sword on yourself it says its not the time to .. ya know lol

or flirt, so I tried with everyone I found even a goat lol
tried to tie my winkie with everything, even the noose,
no dice... grr
arrrrgggghhh
nite or mornin' all, 
hope I get a little info here, this might be the stumper
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 09, 2014, 08:28:12 AM
nah i think that one was just a valid error on his part .. not meant to mislead at all
im sure someone tested it
because we guessed the right phrase but it wasnt working
so maybe someone tested it with a random code and it didnt work, then did the bank code
so that was given

its my guess

im soo darn close, im a half a step away from the darn bar
dr slash.. chuklas  bt  sicka' i know many are there.. sigh i can smell em
and is it me or do you smell maramite  durrf

mini hint oh please please,
what step am i missing when the text when i pee says "soooo close"
ack
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 09, 2014, 08:52:02 AM
I went online searching for the font, hoping that the wingdings would be included, or maybe another font by Goatmeal that would have an answer... No such luck.  Close, but no cigar.  Nice font, though!

BT, when you mention the solution to cracking the code is listed somewhere on this page...  Any way to get another hint to what you're referring to?  I thought it may be the font, but apparently not so?

If BT gives his blessing, I will upload a pic of the symbols that I created.

HOWEVER, it is highly unlikely they will help in any way, since it is the specific order of the symbols that matters...  You won't be able to divine any information from the symbols themselves.   :(

Kind of like the QFG4 copy protection of the 5 elements: alone, they mean nothing.  Without knowing which symbols to use -- the "code," if you will -- for each of Dr. Cranium's 26 formulations to unlock the game to proceed further, they are just 5 really neat animated sprites...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 09, 2014, 08:53:26 AM
Earth, wind, water, fire.... Pizza! Obviously a life giving and sacred element!
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 09, 2014, 09:01:19 AM

so you know on this site where those are?
i looked everywhere i could think, profile edits, blogs, links, calendar,

did you figure out the phrase also goatmeal?
maybe a hint on how I can find it on this very page (not emotes) read all manuals, about section ahh
am I really overlooking such obvious stuff

oh and TK in dnd meant tool kit, even for a thief just sayin

I can find one icon on this site, the IQS icon,

as for this 5th step, really bt how many steps are there lol

next we will be drawing pictures in the sand talking to a squirrel asking him directions to the next clue haha
snipe hunt for sure, and this adventurer is losing sleep gaaaww
soo close i sweaaaaar

goat lemme know if you found the phrase
and well, ill keep searching THIS VERY PAGE, but ahh no

EDIT:
so i did search the forums for ICONS  literally, I did find a great ole little vid of the intellivision ver of QFI hahaha
aww happy baby! so cute, veryy awesome and cute

also goatmeal talking about his fonts and qfg4 copy protection stuffs transferred but nothing solid
"And I also designed the in-game copy protection symbols, based on my love of QFG4's five element icons for Dr. Cranium's formulas."
grrrarrrhhgg
gurrgle,

Kaldire --

Aside from the first three steps -- completely watching the intro/credits, entering the ATM # and the setting the moonshiner alight -- already explained here, I have NO idea about Steps #4 or #5.

Unfortunately, I'm quite busy with work and life at the moment, so I'm not able to focus on the BT Fight quest like you guys are...   :(


While I did design the faux copy protection symbols for the game, I have NO way of knowing how BT and Chucklas implemented them into the game -- I'm as clueless as you guys are about that...

(And you're right -- TK could also stand for Tool Kit!  Thieves' / Tool can be used interchangeably here.)


Glad you liked the little pictures and such that I made in anticipation of this terrific game!   ;)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 09, 2014, 09:09:16 AM
yep goatmeal great stuff very great stuff

but yea I figured that code out, would never have guessed it, still dont understand it
but got it correct,
im on the phase after drinking water now

grr
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 09, 2014, 02:28:49 PM
Heh, step 5 is a doozy.  It takes a lot of time.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 09, 2014, 04:19:20 PM
Heh, step 5 is a doozy.  It takes a lot of time.


Bt
but im at the ennnnnnnnnnnnddd
ahhh

/me gets on floor  rolls like dog, puss in boots eyes, at least hint me on which one im not doing when the comment is  "SOOO CLOSE"  ahhh

and nameless, haha trust me, without assistance, no one would even know about it but the insiders and backers with  legends dont sleep or such phrases

haha was 5 hours just last nite trying to time it right crossing all bridges and traveling everywhere
flirting

at least tell me the clue you told already that im missing,  its tieing it off isnt it or the xx patient
ahh
also let me know if this can even be done in early act 2, (assuming it can since i get that sooooo close message..

 :o
Title: Re: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 09, 2014, 04:24:17 PM

If BT gives his blessing, I will upload a pic of the symbols that I created.


Sorry, peeps!

Though he "Liked" my post above, he did not give explicit permission to post the Symbol pics!   8)

Will he?  Won't he?  Only the BT knows!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 09, 2014, 04:45:08 PM
hahha nameless

nice

goatmeal no worries mate im sure it will .. like morning doo doo  "it will all come out in the end"

I seem frantic just cause well, im so damned close,
but again, thanks to the fellas here and to bt and crew

where has corrigan been lately? aww  testing that hairy chest men thing eh .. oooo field research

haha

im assuming ill have to keep making my eyeballs bleed, until well others catch up enough
and again the symbols make no sense even still, but fun stuff,
tie... it off.. .cross bridges.. XX patient.. ahh .. my balls.. really 200 flasks of water in my bladder 200 flasks of water..
lol
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 09, 2014, 07:33:21 PM
You have the necessary means the necessary means to find the place you need to go.  You just need to be patient and then... sweet relief!


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 09, 2014, 07:49:10 PM
im being to patient,

or not taking patient as it should be

I wait to the point of when it turns dark, at that point the quest ends and the SOO CLOSE goes away,
same with resting etc

just really not sure what im missing, i even time it on the clock in help, playtime, and in game time, tried each time of day after bridges and holding it, and floggin the flagon nothin :(

damned

not sure what im overlooking, i can smell pee so i know im close to your bar :P
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 09, 2014, 08:12:52 PM
Kal is close.  He's just not patient enough... or maybe too patient.  XX patient, not XXX patient.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 09, 2014, 09:27:40 PM
Roman numerals? 20...?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 09, 2014, 10:02:41 PM
Maybe 10 & 10... Minutes?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 09, 2014, 11:40:24 PM
Sounds good to me.  I'm here relaxing...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 09, 2014, 11:48:52 PM
ah relaxing,

ahh not patient enough or tooo patient,

grr.. ok so its a timing issue, odd thing is i tried all different times with a save
and keep getting that same message

but ty bt
the hints should be PLENTY enough,
just ya know my brain by now, overshoot it or undershoot
sooo ill try for a middle ground
minutes... hmm
XXX vs XX  60 seconds only 1 min, 20 min in game makes a day go by so thats not it.. urmm
ok ty boss mein!

oh now i want ciao mein
lol
lil joke..  ciao.. mein  .. nm!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 12:06:25 AM
Kaldire... Don't let this drive you crazy! I'll be there within the next couple of days and we'll figure it out together! :-)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 12:26:53 AM
crazy? nah  its more again like its just RIGHT outta reach!
dont worry I have a feeling I wont be the one to crack this nut first
but for sure I put my dues in

mirya is also on the case, waiting as said,
but not thinking that you have to drink water or cross bridges or do anything like that
which I cant say I agree but ill take any help I/we can get

tie it together.. also stumps me..
we both have digi timers,  and well i crossed bridges like a rally rohem every bridge,
after drinking once in tyr library
still no matter what i wait, or do its SOOO CLOSE, wait to long the message goes away..

yep we will get this oh yes
muhahha
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 10, 2014, 12:42:32 AM
I have confirmation that someone has solved this.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 12:45:44 AM
yea i bet i know whooo it is..

grr

grats! you know who ya are!
no elp for the wicked here?
soo damned close i can taste it
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 12:46:23 AM
Oh just wish I knew how... Oh well, be there soon hopefully
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 12:49:58 AM
well grats again and its obviously a timer issue,

but what time to start, etc,
im just stumped,
so its for sure not me who found it just fyi
group effort and cheers to yee

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 01:30:59 AM
make that 2
that got in :P

and the PERSON in question like me, wouldnt give up any hints other than what we already had
that takes lots of control and hold back  and I DID beg, but its something I already knew.. just had to.. do it right.. :P ty fellow fan and user, and ty thread and BT

so ty to all, and to all a good hunt, im hitting the baaaaaaar

psst know what would look better on your face?  THE BAR

hehe
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 01:32:04 AM
You got in?!?!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 01:34:50 AM
me and someone else yes, almost the same time too,

just a few min shy of the other user
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 01:35:30 AM
Care to drop any hints?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 01:37:30 AM
none that havent already been given!

its really that true, all is laid before you
TRUST ME its not to be rude,
in truth I begged and begged for a reply, I didnt get one other than, when you do it yourself you will be happy vs someone handing you that answer which again I was just right there haha
soo its again not to be mean, but to give time to hope people can find it on their own and say they did this on their own (with TONS of hints) lol but ya know what I mean!


I do have an issue though

when talking to the IQ bar people, it just says GOODBYE SIR, talking, no speech other than BT n a few other surprises
very odd .. and fun happy hunting and let us know updates on what steps you are all on!

fighting bt was pretty easy as sorc, but background was in graveyard not cosmos
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 10, 2014, 07:57:02 AM
I thought I remembered reading somewhere in the forums that the process was going to be documented in the hint book.  Is that the case?  Will the quest be changing in the update? 
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 08:33:36 AM
Got the number in the ATM successfully... Think there is a bug in my game though? Playing as Rogue, gave pinecone to treants, but cannot walk north to the next screen. Roehm just stands there... Can walk up all the way to the top of the screen but will not go past them... Need to talk to Keyanna to give me amulet, start Killington quest, etc... Anyone experience this problem?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 10, 2014, 09:14:40 AM
Which treant did you give it to?  There is a bug.  I think you have to give it to the one on the left.
Title: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 09:16:44 AM
That's funny cause I think I gave it to the one on the right... Fml

The actual thought went through my mind... I gave it to the one on the left last time and that bastard ate it without sharing with his buddy... What happens if I give it the one on the right instead...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 09:39:54 AM
Douse with rubbing alcohol? And then use flint or tinderbox? I'll give it a try...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 10, 2014, 12:18:09 PM
If the treants are still messing up for you, send me the save game - info@infamous-quests.com and I can fix it for you.

As for the BT quest - yes, in the update, some things will be changed a bit for the BT quest, so all of you who find it on 1.0 are special - if you send me proof of your finding it, I'll throw in the bonus of naming you on a plaque in the IQ bar in v 1.1 - how does that sound?

The quest won't majorly change, but some of the stuff in the bar will be updated, and a few things IN the quest.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 10, 2014, 12:19:38 PM
PS - I want to thank everyone who has stuck with this, and worked on it, and worked with me.  I thought this was a really fun exercise between all of us, and it got not only us developers in here talking with some great and die-hard fans, but you talking to each other.... and talking about adventure games and working things out with friends is what I used to love about adventure games when I was a kid.  I thank all of you for participating in this with me and the crew here at IQ.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 01:03:14 PM
Which treant did you give it to?  There is a bug.  I think you have to give it to the one on the left.

as a sorc  i gave the pinecone to the LEFT one

I come back and just the left tree is on fire, and burn down with no animation

If i walk past no problems, if i try to talk to the other tree ,  LOCKUP
if i try to burn the other tree, LOCKUP

yea..
just burn em down.. pee in that stream, just dont cross the streams! oh damn too late
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 01:05:45 PM
I thought I remembered reading somewhere in the forums that the process was going to be documented in the hint book.  Is that the case?  Will the quest be changing in the update?
i remember something about that also but not sure...
I just want wicked concept arts and well
idk,

got ideas for having a crib in the next game, so we can use all that bly pimpin out the house or pad, whatever
oh thad be hard but fun for a side shot,

IDK i miss old qfg manuals, hoping for wicked art from jp
cant waiiits
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 10, 2014, 03:25:33 PM
Yeah, the process WILL be documented in the secret red decoder section in The QFI Companion.

There's all kinds of concept and production art, too... it'll be a pretty awesome QFI/IQ experience when it's done.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 03:30:58 PM
I'll try the burning thing. Thanks for your help! It's fun working on this puzzle with you guys!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 03:34:57 PM
BT - I liked your note behind the lady painting in the thieves guild :-D
Title: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 06:36:25 PM
It was previously said:
1. You only get 1 guess
2. If you got it right, you will know immediately
3. If you don't get any response, restore your game & try again
4. The phrase has been said multiple times in this thread

Good luck! Fingers crossed for you... I'm not quite there yet...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 07:16:15 PM
I watched the credits and input the correct code into the ATM. I'm currently still in act 1. Can I put the phrase in the book now or do I have to do the moonshiner first?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 07:26:13 PM
Will do, thx.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 08:18:02 PM
Just got to Act 2, heading to Moonshiner now. Saw this (screencap) at the end of Act 1... Have never seen this on any previous play through... Have you guys seen this before? Pretty awesome!

PS burning the trees worked, so no need to send in my save file. Thanks!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 09:00:55 PM
Burning them fixed my bug. Anyone seen that screen attached to my previous post before? That was cool!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 10, 2014, 09:41:59 PM
Just got to Act 2, heading to Moonshiner now. Saw this (screencap) at the end of Act 1... Have never seen this on any previous play through... Have you guys seen this before? Pretty awesome!

I definitely haven't seen that!  Do you know what triggers it?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 09:44:33 PM
I walked into the screen w/ Killingsworths pond. Just after getting all 4 pieces of the crest and the key. End of Act I. Playing as Rogue. Walked in via the "gate" you see in the upper right of the screen. Very very cool! Roehm makes a snide comment as well, it was awesome! Not sure what triggered it though...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 10, 2014, 10:22:08 PM
Nate!!! You discovered one of the most rare easter eggs in the game! I was wondering when someone would stumble upon that... a very certain amount of conditions have to be just right.  It's just a little bonus vision of what the world looked like before the Killingtons went into decline.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 10:44:54 PM
It was awesome! I'm not sure what requirements I met, but I could make a fair guess... Anyhow, that was pretty cool. Thanks for letting me know it's an Easter egg!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 10:47:15 PM
Also have been loving the Blackthorne references everywhere... Library book
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 10:48:34 PM
Blackthorne's Bong - gnoll's cave
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 10:49:15 PM
yea out of 126 hours now played ive never found that

are those in the hint book too
I wannnnaa seeee it

just the crest? or other conditions? even he doesnt know what he did lolol
nate you rock 
thats mc awesome.

any clues on that one bt? again so many plays and hours, never have i seen THAT!
smoke myself silly ?
idk

edit: yep i mentioned the bong lol

haha 
so you cant find the bar but on the way you found... an egg whooop!

jealous here!!!
how does one see that!!!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 10:49:31 PM
Former Master Thief... Thieves Guild
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 10:52:12 PM
might want to use the spoiler caps for newbies loggin in just saying..

not that I   mind.. im sure most have seen this, but there are loads of new registers when I look

and me putting the game on front of my steam got loads of people to buy the sucker whoop


just cant believe foil cards are 10-50$ usd.. and I have a background no one has for sale, rohem and urm prospero on steam, wants all of em,  some emotes are even 30$ or more.. damn
no way am i sellin mine!!!

i want more backgrounds!!

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 10:54:50 PM
Just got to Act 2, heading to Moonshiner now. Saw this (screencap) at the end of Act 1... Have never seen this on any previous play through... Have you guys seen this before? Pretty awesome!

PS burning the trees worked, so no need to send in my save file. Thanks!
I wanna see my beauty and the beast garden !!

any hints on that egg or is it just, literally walk to the gate with the crest .. it cant be that.. i did that!
ack loch lomen.. or however ya spell that lake

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 11:02:21 PM
oh nate also im not a mod nor do I work for IQS  (I wish) but
id recommend a new thread for all the screens and odds n bits
just so people dont have to weave through all this to find IQ bar :P

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 11:19:44 PM
I know pretty much exactly where I am, what I've done and what's in my inventory... I will write it down. Not sure exactly what is a trigger and what isn't, but I'll let you know...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 10, 2014, 11:21:08 PM
I will post other stuff elsewhere. Leave this thread for BT specific :-) thx for the heads up
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 10, 2014, 11:40:29 PM
kudos on that egg again

as for inv, well thats not going to effect it..
as I had everything in my inv almost everything by end of act 1

lol

and that damn dude at the docks really does sell you bracers that dont show up in the inv
shady bastard!

is that a , urmm.. joke that he stole em, so he sells you nothing or a bug
ooo and yes please any eggs are welcome, not sure if they will be in the hint book or not
(still not even billed for the backer yet)
hrmm

wonder when that patch is a comin,
or if that will hint more for eggs tooooo

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 12:08:42 AM
you a sorc?

if so thats why
only sorc get that bly,

they get tooooo much imo

500 from gnoll to scare it before the seals,
5000 from necro
you can even loot all houses  yeaa
loads of cash

odd thing is before picking a path I always have about 4000+ bly already..
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 12:12:36 AM
Ha ha ha I got 50,000 Bly in act 1 as a Rogue by cracking the safe at the bank! Set for life
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 12:43:59 AM
well yea..
just thieves need more money in truth, sorc dont really need much at alllll

but 50k nah, hell you are only 10k shy of FREEBIRD!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 02:14:20 AM
Ha ha... I was actually hoping I could pay the guy 40,000 to play Freebird
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 02:15:31 AM
oh sweet

found that secret garden,
odd seems its kinda random,

1. get all crest pieces  first  getting the rock piece last,
2. combine pieces
3. still wearing necklace, walk to the garden from the rock entering from the east, tadaaa

it hums and it looks.. so pretty until .. oh damn them killingtons
 ;)

nice find mates
really great!

id like to vote to have a real easter egg hunt in the next game..
like literally eggs
haha

funny pun eh

also id like to vote for any mel brooks quotes or references

we're in now, now.. everything thats happening now, is happening now. when was then... just now,
when will then be now? SOOOOON

no no no  go past this part,
they've gone to plaid
haha
ahem sorry
sorry I say sorry loaaaads to much,  17 years of marriage does that to some people
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 04:13:33 AM
So... Does this have anything to do with anything?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 04:17:59 AM
with anything?
yea

its one of the many ways IN to the south woods not OUT of..

a bear might be involved

but nothing to do with the bt hunt..
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 11, 2014, 07:16:53 AM
Nice work, you guys!  Heh - you're finding all kinds of great stuff!


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 11, 2014, 08:45:48 AM
Ha ha... I was actually hoping I could pay the guy 40,000 to play Freebird

I was going to go back to my saved games and have my Rogue try that, too...

********************

BT -- I know it was just one of a couple throw-away lines for the Dock Musician, but for version 1.1:

PLEASE use your madd gui-tarr skillz and PLAY/RECORD some notes/chords from "Freebird" to include as an Easter Egg in the game if a Rogue* just so happens to give the Dock Musician the 40,000 blys as requested...   :D

*Or a Brigand or Sorcerer who grinds for blys in the Dwarven Mines...
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 11, 2014, 08:53:48 AM
What's odd is one playthrough in the necromancer's cave, after she's dead, a message pops up saying I've found some blys... maybe that was after I bought the non visible bracers of wealth... idk

That's something for Sorcerers only.

The Brigand can make a lot of money (relatively speaking) with side-quests from Kurdt, and the Rogue can rob Tyr's Mayor and the Volksville bank for big pay-offs, but ironically, Prospero really doesn't have any corresponding side-quests for a Sorcerer earn that kind of scratch and become truly "prosperous" -- only requirements to gather spell items.

That's where the Necromancer side-quest comes in.  After the defeating the Necromancer -- aside from repaying Prospero for his tutelage -- lo and behold! a pile of 5,000 blys just happen to be found in the ashes for the Sorcerer...   ;)
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 10:05:52 AM



BT -- I know it was just one of a couple throw-away lines for the Dock Musician, but for version 1.1:

PLEASE use your madd gui-tarr skillz and PLAY/RECORD some notes/chords from "Freebird" to include as an Easter Egg in the game if a Rogue* just so happens to give the Dock Musician the 40,000 blys as requested...   :D

*Or a Brigand or Sorcerer who grinds for blys in the Dwarven Mines...


oh oh please please.. and it doesnt have to be the whole thing
maybe just the mad ripping ending  meeedleey meedleeey meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 12:23:15 PM
if you put in an answer to the phrase and nothing happened.. reload..

it will kill the bt hunt,

and yes you will know, bt even said that, once you type the correct phrase you will be notified by the... next bloody darned step lol

I think it was the prologue you miffed or something, or maybe you typed a phrase in the book idk!!!
what are ya typing in the book and what steps did you take so far
1-3 list us them!
here is hopin it wasnt step 1 mate!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 11, 2014, 12:58:57 PM
Maybe you should just sit down, have a beverage and get some time in and think about what to type in.  You should be good.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 01:00:57 PM
in retrospect  the book .. they will, was actually the easiest part imo

for me, not sure

you got all the steps right 1-3

but for me I did enter a random number 1st in the safe, then the code but i dont think thats it
you did set the guy on fire..
did you try just for the sake of it to do the moonshiner first then the atm?
then book

bt... he knows what to put in the book, thats why its so confusing, he did guess the right answer..
so its gotta be a diff step he miffed on idk which..

bt said it can be reversed but.. i did moonshiner first.. then atm
then book

might want to hold off posting that code all about too :P
just say you entered the code from bt or something idk,
dont want the entire masses getting freebie bank card code if they didnt sit here for the hunt heheh
or back the game.. either or..
 (or im getting him confused with natewolf who also has the same issue)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 02:18:40 PM
lol
mate im no mod
just saying :P

and pm me or post here where you are.. still at the book?
did you guess right? I just read my pm's and it was natewolf that guessed it right but it didnt work,
not sure if you have the right answer or not.. for the book i mean..

my bad!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 02:52:51 PM
I may have miffed something, though not sure what... I will try again after work today. And agreed, will not post the ATM number or phrase here
Title: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 02:55:09 PM
I'm gonna try to do the moonshiner first, then ATM if the order doesn't matter...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 11, 2014, 04:24:01 PM
One of those is correct.

Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 11, 2014, 04:44:56 PM
A question: Can you find the empty book (#4) WITHOUT doing steps #1, #2 & #3?  Looks like I missed it in my initial playthroughs...   :(

I understand that the BT Fight Quest won't work since you didn't do steps 1-3, but can you still find it in the Library?


(I went back and reviewed all of BT's cryptic clues during my lunch break today, and think I have figured out #4 & #5... especially now since BT just confirmed what I thought about #4.  OK, time to start a new game and watch the credits/intro to begin #1...)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 05:01:54 PM
heya goatmeal

i get lost now in the numbers as there really is about 7-8 steps not 5 lol

step 4 is the book? that has like 2 steps just alone
and I think i was one of the first to figure that sucker out just from knowing a bit about alice and putting pieces together

yea nameless one of those IS correct, sooo something musta gone wrong in the intro or the other 2 steps which you seem to know .. so its a bit confusing

and yes the book is ALWAYS there, so if you went there and entered anything .. it will mess up the bt hunt :P

im still looking for the pixel hunt in the library but to no avail
did find the garden tho!

the symbols, that one, well still I wont prolly understand, but I found that answer pretty fast,
as for step 5.. wellll yeaaaaa
no comment there hahaha
i knew what to do i just... well took toooo much time, so the quest kept canceling on me , or saying SOOOOO CLOOOOSEE
so close= to early    nothing at all= to late
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 05:08:45 PM
i used a digital timer on my phone..
oh shit thats a hint, .. ahh sorry


dont SKIP anything in the beginning intro, nothing until udo is done talking and u are in free roam
hell i didnt even skip anything, just out of fear
even though ive seen it all before lol

even the execution

again not sure where in the lineup you went wrong.. seems u should have this

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 07:08:01 PM
Playing the game through again, because apparently I messed something up. Do I have to listen to all conversations in the game, or can I click through them? Just worried it's going to take forever...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 11, 2014, 07:27:02 PM
i skipped through convos just not the intro ones or any cinematic animations .. like the execution or such
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 11, 2014, 08:41:59 PM
heya goatmeal

i get lost now in the numbers as there really is about 7-8 steps not 5 lol

step 4 is the book? that has like 2 steps just alone
and I think i was one of the first to figure that sucker out just from knowing a bit about alice and putting pieces together

yea nameless one of those IS correct, sooo something musta gone wrong in the intro or the other 2 steps which you seem to know .. so its a bit confusing

and yes the book is ALWAYS there, so if you went there and entered anything .. it will mess up the bt hunt :P


Just following BT's suggestion of steps from Sept 6:   ;)

As you list it, step 1-2 are just step 1.  Your step 3, garr is step 2, step 4 is step 3, step 5 is step 4.... the final step, miriya is very very close on!  Step 5 is perhaps the trickiest;  for those who are patient, you wait for XX to mark the spot.

1) Credits/Intro
2) Gadget
3) Fire
4) Those who know, will (Dodgson)
5) The Final Step for the patient.


Bt
Title: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 08:42:13 PM
I'm only doing bare bones game side-quests and such until I've done the moonshiner in act 2 and got to the book... Don't want to waste any time in case I messed something up again... I accidentally clicked through part of the execution, so hopefully that won't mess me up... I should be able to do Killington's crest and get into act 2 and do the moonshiner and book tonight. Will have to wait until my kid goes to bed tonight, but I think I can still get to it.

BT - can you confirm whether or not you can skip convos and such, with the exception of the prologue? I watched everything up until after the credits and you flee from the baron and talk to Udo in Volksville, but kinda skipped through a bunch of stuff after that... Do I have to watch everything (conversations, execution) or is it just the intro, credits and Udo convo that you have to watch?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 09:47:12 PM
At this point i think it must be something with skipping the "cinematics"...?

Are you playing the Steam version or the GOG version? Devs, is there a difference between the two?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 11, 2014, 09:50:04 PM
No difference between the versions.  I am guessing you either missed the first step, or are not getting the right phrase in the book. 
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 09:52:28 PM
Can anyone confirm what we can "skip" or rush through, and what we have to watch? It seems like it's step 1 that we're messing up on...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 09:52:57 PM
PS I'm positive I have the right phrase...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 11, 2014, 10:32:17 PM
Can any of the Devs confirm or deny the whole skipping cinematics thing? Much appreciated! :-)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 12, 2014, 01:37:00 AM
nameless..
no clue where you are going wrong

again idk  for the safe, I did that 3rd,  and i put in a random number THEN the code given

what was your step 1.. 2 and 3?

nate,  that was just me, according to everyone so far, the only one you cant skip is well you know

steam vs gog in terms of game? no diff, i did it on both copies, same way
gog has other diffs but nothing IN game, like extras and no drm or need for online etc
but no cool cards or backgrounds either

again I did moonshiner 2nd and bank 3rd.. not the other way around, and again works just fine and i did a rush play on it again..

oh and nameless, I didnt even do any quests in act 2 in terms of tyr or rayford, didnt even go in his office,
so no need to do slave anything or anything as such to get to bt or iq bar
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 12, 2014, 03:48:10 AM
first mate tttrrry to calm down, trust me I know how flustering egg hunts can be

no one is hiding anything from you, no vast conspiracy..
I did also try switching the atm and the moonshiner, but I did both in ACT2 not that it should matter
ive yet to test doing the atm in act1 then moon in act 2 but it should work according to all here

idk mate seems just like something you are missing..
id be happy to look at a save, not sure if bt is ok with that or if he would, but shrug
at this point it seems you know the steps and what to put in the book,
imo im not sure what the issue truly is..
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 12, 2014, 08:17:03 AM
Ok, just to help you out.  There is no reason to restart a game at any point until Step 4 (unless you missed step 1).


The order of steps 2 and 3 can be skipped as step 4 checks to make sure 1, 2 and 3 have been done (not order dependent).


This is why I am guessing you are not getting the correct phrase in the book.  PM me the list you tried and I can confirm if you did indeed get it wrong.


Also, you can keep typing in the book without a need to restore.  The only time you would need to restore is if you get the puzzle after the book wrong (as there is only one attempt there), or if you aren't patient in step 5.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 12, 2014, 09:15:13 AM
This game has inspired me to grow a beard, lol... So now I have a beard. "I grew it myself!"
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 12, 2014, 09:35:05 AM
On this play through I'm documenting literally everything, so you guys can tell me if I truly missed something
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 12, 2014, 10:08:23 AM
You have the right phrase in there.  Are you using the attack cursor on the moonshiner?  Not sure what else it could be.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 12, 2014, 11:50:16 AM
yea chucklas I talked to them tooo!
no clue whats up

even asked for a save game,
im thinking i dont know but

I played with the fish on the wall at brattles then I would wait until act 2 to even touch the atm AFTER i flamed the moonshiner..
then went to da book tada..

if the game has the dat files, maybe backup those and erase em?
not sure if something is triggered in there, but it shouldnt be 
WARNING this will erase in game achievements

oh as for the beardy
I can grow one in about 1 week!
bt.. how do you get past that phase where you scratch it and play with it and it gets ingrown or red etc
i had a beard for 1 year + never got used to it, so i took that sucker off
like a very annoying piercing 
had to take all those out too i just mess with stuff to much as you can prolly tell from how I post lol

or maybe I drank to much starbucks with it.. hence scratchin haha
what doth thou useith on thy beard to make it soft  like a teddy bear!
inquiring minds... want to know!

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 12, 2014, 02:53:26 PM
I keep mine pretty short. It is scratchy though... Never found a good solution either.

I'll get back you guys later re: the quest... I've already started over and documenting everything this time, just to be safe... It plays through relatively quickly though...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 12, 2014, 05:25:46 PM
Remember guys - if you get in, send me a screenshot, along with a name you'd like on a plaque, and I'll put it in the v 1.1 update!  You've still got time to get in before that; I'll let you know before we're done with the 1.1 update.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 12, 2014, 05:44:56 PM
I keep mine pretty short. It is scratchy though... Never found a good solution either.

I'll get back you guys later re: the quest... I've already started over and documenting everything this time, just to be safe... It plays through relatively quickly though...

i tried protein packs and softenenererrrs
and short and long, just seems im to fidgety for a beardy
and i look so dapper!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 12, 2014, 07:33:42 PM
yea there are issues with gettin the seals to soon even for me
same with the moonshiner to soon
skipping the GIVE FOOD or GIVE money part totally

damn man.. ill have a look but not sure what I can do if its not working

is the save at the library?

ill check it out but im sure I cant see much without knowing how to check for the bt ticks in a file
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 12, 2014, 09:13:12 PM
When you started your game, did you click "prelude to infamy" or "start new infamy?"
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 12, 2014, 09:23:55 PM
he has told me he watched the credits but
very good question

lol

did you indeed just watch the intro on the cart or the entire intro of the baron chasing ur bumm out his castle (the reason you are even in the cart and runnin away) 
psst he is behind that red bush on the hill
if you go there it even says oohh no im not going back there!

pfft i woood... morning wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ORHKxaXmA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ORHKxaXmA#)

idk im in a dancing mood hence my music links lately first party monster now this! ahh flammer!!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 12, 2014, 09:31:20 PM
I've been doing "Prelude to Infamy"
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 12, 2014, 09:51:37 PM
Only other thought is that you are mis-typing the phrase.  2 words, one space, no punctuation marks...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Longsunrise on September 13, 2014, 12:25:35 AM
Hmmm Nameless, I was able to get the "message" after typing the correct phrase in the book.

The steps I took were:
1- select Prelude to Infamy at the start of game and let the scene progress uninterrupted
2 - enter the ATM pin in Act 1;
3- flamed the moonshiner by clicking sword icon on him (I think there are two ways of accomplishing this, but I did it by using the sword icon immediately on the moonshiner without talking to him at all);
4- enter correct phrase in book (and get the confirmation message and follow up question)

now if only I could figure out step5!!!!  It doesn't help that work and life seems to get in the way of completing this side quest.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 13, 2014, 03:28:13 AM
I'm progressing... Entered ATM code successfully... Just need to complete Killington Quest in order to progress to Act 2... As you said... Life happens, and I can really only play for a couple/few hours each night... I'm close though...
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 13, 2014, 05:46:23 AM
Hmmm Nameless, I was able to get the "message" after typing the correct phrase in the book.

The steps I took were:
1- select Prelude to Infamy at the start of game and let the scene progress uninterrupted
2 - enter the ATM pin in Act 1;
3- flamed the moonshiner by clicking sword icon on him (I think there are two ways of accomplishing this, but I did it by using the sword icon immediately on the moonshiner without talking to him at all);
4- enter correct phrase in book (and get the confirmation message and follow up question)

now if only I could figure out step5!!!!  It doesn't help that work and life seems to get in the way of completing this side quest.

urmm
step 4.5? or 5?
if you mean the symbols thats NOT step 5
should be though
if you mean after those, then yea thats step 5 and GL!
lol
Title: Re: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 13, 2014, 05:53:14 AM
Quote

ONE THING TO TRY: DO YOU STILL HAVE A SAVE AT THE LIBRARY BEFORE YOU TYPED IN THE PHRASE?
COMPRESS AND SEND IT TO MY EMAIL AND I'LL SEE IF MY GAME DOES IT CORRECTLY! IF IT DOES, I'LL IMMEDIATELY DELETE IT BECAUSE I WANT TO DO IT MYSELF. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A STUBBORN SENIOR GAMER!

ok I hate to say or ask this,
can someone mod him?

this was an attack towards me(or someone else who said the same thing) I cant be sure who but its def not friendly

using
1. all caps
2. insulting offers to help  this is a personal thing and ive got no clue why he would do it after trying to help him but I feel very offended and ready to leave the forums until he is done, do to being singled out, quoted then shot down for TRYING TO HELP  in all caps
3. in the end he refused to email me the save but instead just uploaded it here claiming people are conspiring against him to not let him find this bar

what is going on, this is like the first real attack towards another user ever.. on these forums that ive personally seen and I really dont appreciate it one tiny bit

I dont understand why .. nameless.. did you single me out, why did you use all caps, why do you have this  everyone is conspiring against me mentality.

dont hurt the fans that are trying to help mate, I did nothing to ya but offer help, and you virtually spit in my face and its .. sad not angering, just very sad

guess it was only a matter of time until someone truly snapped but this place is NOT steam,
please explain to someone why the attack upon my quote offering help
why mate..
help me understand, and if you are really that upset at me or someone else, ill not be on here for awhile as I dont want upsets


Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 13, 2014, 08:07:36 AM
yet another attack upon me?

why?
or am i misunderstanding ?


 
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 13, 2014, 08:41:37 AM
Hey guys, it's okay - everyone's friends here.  Let's just remember: we're just here to have fun.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 13, 2014, 08:42:51 AM
Did he figure it out...?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 13, 2014, 10:35:41 AM
bt  I believe this one was on me :P

I thought he was attacking me in the caps due to him quoting me as to send the save
.. I now think he was upset with HIMSELF not me...

my bad nameless!!

ok as for the symbols! graaaaats!!!! you made it to step 4b!!  thats part 2 of the 4th step not a clue btw lol

if you want here are the clues from bt summed up and a mini hint.. from me, which let me know if its outta line anyone


bt stated that you can find the answers to the symbols just not in the game
also stated that you can find the answers from this very page

someone else said  you can find the answers here if you just look for them

go out of the room you are in now, head 2 floors down and enter that floor from above.
then go down the hall its the 17 door down next to the guy pounding with a racing pulse.

hope my hint helps and isnt to obvious bt :P


Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 13, 2014, 11:01:54 AM
Did he figure it out...?
Never, ever talk to someone you've never met before
Spoiler (hover to show)

I think he is past that step mate
you ok nameless! did you get my pm and hintie and the recaps from bts hints?

or you already in the bar!
your last 3 post have been really confusing, everything ok?
what do you mean by never talk to someone youve never met before
flaming get you instant entry?
that a hint?


Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 13, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
I think he's referring to the moonshiner... Don't talk to him, just light him up
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 13, 2014, 12:06:04 PM
nah i love talking to him, and watching him go like sure sure go get that money...
pfft nahhh burnnn baby bbuuurnn

fire fire yea yea ...
trooggdoor
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 13, 2014, 07:35:02 PM
You guys recommend a program for doing in-game screenshots? Usually I use Greenshot, but I'm playing QFI full screen in Windows 7 and my screen caps via Greenshot are coming out all black...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: garr on September 13, 2014, 10:48:08 PM
So how am I still able to log in? I thought this ability was removed along with my email, which was removed from the broadband provider. Yet my profile still shows the non existent email.
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 14, 2014, 01:41:35 AM
Fraps, but uh... it's not free
It's hot key for screenies is F10
I believe the hot key for videos is F9 which didn't work for me so I set it at F8

.................

strange thing about flaming the moonshiner:
if I talked before flaming, then the book phrase always failed

heya

odd as I talked to him, first, made him run and fried him

as for fraps yea its not free but easy to.. ahem get for free
and yea esp on ags games f9= quit restart.. so yea i rebind that key also

did ya make a vid or something?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 14, 2014, 01:43:29 AM
You guys recommend a program for doing in-game screenshots? Usually I use Greenshot, but I'm playing QFI full screen in Windows 7 and my screen caps via Greenshot are coming out all black...

get fraps and to go with it get FREEMAKE video converter  to take that raw huge format and compress to
whatever you like
avi mp3 etc

thats like 1gb to 100mb reduction! trust me
fraps is a huge and loss-less formant that well cant even be seen by most programs oddly enough

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 14, 2014, 01:43:38 AM
No, wanting to take screenshots for fun... I like to make fan based thorough walkthroughs. Good design work and lots of pictures... Was thinking of making one for this game. Don't worry, not gonna reveal this secret to anyone! :-)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 14, 2014, 01:44:32 AM
Just want something for screen caps, not video... Usually use Greenshot, but it has issues if you're playing full screen...
Title: Re: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 14, 2014, 01:44:40 AM
Fraps, but uh... it's not free
It's hot key for screenies is F10
I believe the hot key for videos is F9 which didn't work for me so I set it at F8

.................

strange thing about flaming the moonshiner:
if I talked before flaming, then the book phrase always failed

heya

odd as I talked to him, first, made him run and fried him

as for fraps yea its not free but easy to.. ahem get for free
and yea esp on ags games f9= quit restart.. so yea i rebind that key also

did ya make a vid or something? did ya get in the bar?? im so curious to know!!!

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 14, 2014, 01:45:22 AM
Just want something for screen caps, not video... Usually use Greenshot, but it has issues if you're playing full screen...

depends, you do know you  can most of the time just use print screen and mspaint

but in some places that wont work and still i recommend fraps :P

for snaps and vid
Title: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 14, 2014, 03:55:32 AM
Finally got it to work!!! Now just have to figure out how to decode this... Wish me luck...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 14, 2014, 03:56:44 AM
haha nice! good job dudes

now, read the clues and yee can get to the 5th step!

btw again this is impossible to GUESS at, so dont try to just guess, well not impossible but very unlikely

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 14, 2014, 03:57:56 AM
Clue to decoding is here in this forum somewhere? I don't have the slightest idea as to what to search for...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 14, 2014, 05:53:26 AM
it took me a few min to figure it out

how?
understand that the picture you showed ISNT the only code there are 5 total codes as bt even said

do this

reload before the  those that know will, enter the phrase again, see what changed in the symbol part :P
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 14, 2014, 12:19:55 PM
Found the "code" (face palm) was looking in the wrong place
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 14, 2014, 05:07:02 PM
did you give a look at all the clues bt left and my really... long odd clue?

glad you saw the differences
made me a little mental as I was GUESSING that darn code hahaha

keep lookin! just again the answer is not IN the game!!
now I have a small bit of what I think is the same feeling bt had

you guys are soooooo close!!!
ahhh!!
keep truckin...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 14, 2014, 06:37:38 PM
Maybe I'm doing something wrong?  I found the "key" if you will, to the copy protection phrase in the library book in Tyr.  I'm inputting (what I believe) are the correct symbols, according to whatever phrase pops up...  I put in all 5 symbols, then hit the ENTER key, and then... nothing happens...  Am I doing it wrong?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 14, 2014, 06:57:59 PM
Nope.  You're doing it right.  It doesn't tell you if you're right or wrong.  (It's pretty punishing)


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 14, 2014, 07:44:18 PM
This image sums up the hunt for BT, lol
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 14, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
Uh, so if I put in the correct code, I won't get any notification? Ok, good to know.

So the next step involves...
--waiting
--drinking
--traversing the world
--bridges
--John Connor???
--XX
--YOU mark the spot
--We all end up here eventually
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 14, 2014, 10:29:09 PM
MM.. yeh. Maybe after a cornbread n onion supper. game to intenet to game!!

heh heh heh who doesn't like good ole fashioned buttermilk cornbread.
mmmm I love it!!!

not many here that I know like buttermilk ANYTHING
i love it in all forms  I even drink it out the carton!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 14, 2014, 10:30:29 PM
This image sums up the hunt for BT, lol
yea you wont see that if you are on the sorc path just fyi

only rogue...

but no that wont help ya

the hints are already in this thread mates!!
cant really say much more as well not much more CAN be said.. without just straight telling you..
urmm.. yea just re read! let us know what you think! or what you  are thinking

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 14, 2014, 10:32:12 PM
Uh, so if I put in the correct code, I won't get any notification? Ok, good to know.

So the next step involves...
--waiting
--drinking
--traversing the world
--bridges
--John Connor???
--XX
--YOU mark the spot
--We all end up here eventually

no john connor was the ATM machine.. machine... terminator .. hacker guy .. so erase that one
all the rest are sorta right
be patient.. XX patient.. remember these hints?
you will have to cross many bridges,
yea ya know the hints

and I can really say no more than that!
it really is enough info if you get right down to it!

Title: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 14, 2014, 11:45:45 PM
DELETED :-)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 12:08:11 AM
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

sheesh

dont blow the hints matey!!

you already know that answer dont need another hint or another combo..
though I was wondering that  myself but SHhhhh lol

/me holds finger over nates lips, not a word.. just get on the bed my love, and spoon me
I need to be held!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 02:40:18 AM
WOO HOO!!! BT add my name to the list! Nate Wolfe

That was awesome :-)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 02:54:57 AM
woah nice mate, and grats

how many potions did it take your rogue?
my current record is 3 potions !!

oh and I was being silly about the hints thing mate,

didnt really mean for you to delete the post haha
thought my shh go to bed i need to spoon thing made it obvious maybe its just me doh


Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 03:00:31 AM
It's all good! I didn't have to use TOO many... Maybe 5-6? All in all that was pretty great.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 03:54:16 AM
yea for fighters or rogue key is defend, and dont use potions until really needed each time he seems to attack

nice to be a sorc :P
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 11:24:47 AM
@Nameless - it's not too difficult from here... Some guesswork on my part, but if you put together the clues, you can do it!

After you put in the correct code in the library, start immediately. Here are the clues I had... Let me know if you need any hints, but I'd rather not give it away entirely...

--once you put in the correct code, you will not get any notification that you did it right, you just have to be self assured (this was stated by BT earlier)
--XX
--be patient
--traverse the world
--cross bridges
--stay hydrated
--death is peripherally involved
--you mark the spot

These clues were all stated earlier in this thread so I don't think I'm giving anything away... Good luck!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 11:43:06 AM
he didnt give anything away lol
just I was being silly

the answers to the symbols is where you are stuck nameless? right?

if so.. again the answers cant be found in the game, look outside or someplace else
you can even find them from this page here

I gave a pretty odd clue im sure didnt help or hurt..
but bts was the easiest most logical clue(s)

where you at? still the symbols?
hey and again you can find those same codes just by reloading and doing the input again then getting another slogan or whatever those are..

from there.. yea idk what else I can same, nate figured it out! almost barely, and the last step seemed.. easy for him!
soo I knooow you got this nameless!

let us know!!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 12:32:18 PM
So you found them? Funny thing is, 1 is missing from that list...
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 12:39:13 PM
Odd thing is, before QFI was released, Blackthorne had the page codes listed where most gamers never go. That's like driving down the road, looking for a store that sells red paint, and you drive right on past a red building!

woah how did you know that! arent you new to the forum?

claps .. well done matey well done..
so did you make it past the symbols?

did you make it to the bar

and sir..
nothing to do with the game

but for your time, dedication and service of our country in one of the worst wars ever..
i salute you!
Glad you made it back !
and are here happy and gaming!

ptsd might be there forever, but if you are gamin  you sir rock for many many reasons

/me salutes nameless in proper fashion
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 12:39:51 PM
Oh!..... Crap! Now that you mention it, there are six. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
yea doesnt matter just get the ones that you know the answer too lol

but that is true..
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 15, 2014, 12:44:56 PM
I wanted to do something that involved searching inside the game and outside the game - and something that required interaction.  Interaction between fans and the developers.... this is something I loved about our little adventure game scene in the earlier days (10-12 years ago).... we all talked more on forums, and got involved.  I've found this to be a lot of fun that way, and I enjoy talking with all of you.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 12:46:13 PM
here here!!

huuuzaah raises glass

nice thinkin!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 12:56:40 PM
BT - 5 of the codes are listed, but 1 is missing... Don't want to reveal too much here,  but it's HH... Would you consider adding that one?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 03:09:23 PM
haha nameless you are doing what i did, trying to take apart the wording,
which isnt it

lol

no clue how the symbols are reflected but hey guys some havent found the bar yet!!
shhhh lolol (or has everyone found it by now?)

to much hinting here.. imo

if HH shows up just reload..
and get one that did show up with answer

 :P
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 03:39:24 PM
Yeah you can... If you know how. At least for Sorcerer and Rogue
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
actually you can.. as all classes :P

hint,  there are 2 ways out one i think is a bug..

but if you ENTER via this location as brig, you can also leave from that location!

hehe
or just shack up with a hooker for the nite, before doing the book :P then start early after nice breakfast in bed muhahah

pearl necklace given and whoop im out the door ty ladies   *rohem

wish you could enter that place and line em up and pick like in reno.. lol
bunnny ranch red doooooor
not related just kinda funny
aids related, being in red door game wise id think rohem would die a few days later or someting
or at least get lice..
hehe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Red_Door (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Red_Door)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 04:13:36 PM
Lol. I was hoping you'd have some romance options... Kayanna, Ina, Kit, Volaris...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 04:23:03 PM
Nameless... You only have to do it once. There are 6 different possibilities that it will throw out, but you only have to answer it once. We have solutions for 5 out of the 6, because 1 wasn't listed. Once you put in the correct code... Nothing happens. BT confirmed, you won't know whether you did it right or not, but if you put in the correct code, there shouldn't be any problem. Then you can proceed directly with the next part of the quest. Let me know if you're stuck, I'll help out
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 06:54:46 PM
You don't have to get 5 different ones in a row, you only have to do it once... We were just saying we don't have the solution for HH but we do have the other ones...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 08:16:44 PM
yea sometimes you will get the same one like 5-6 times in a row, just keep reloading until you dont get HH

and again remember you WILL NOT.. get a popup saying the answer is correct!

so just create a new save after you input the right sequence .. one that you are SURE of..
then do the final step!

save a few times too!

be patient, XX patient! you will have to cross many bridges and traverse the world, it ends where we all end
finally you will say AHH RELIEF!

tick tock!
I want to see you finish this sucker mate! GL!!!!

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 08:22:56 PM
Lol. I was hoping you'd have some romance options... Kayanna, Ina, Kit, Volaris...


yayaya I actually thought I missed it, but when the day is done, the infamous hero. sleeps alone!

unless.. he pays for it... haha

still id have liked to see the inside of the brothel and yea romance action.. but damn the game is huge enough

stilllll

imagine a LSL style brothel inside, LINE UP GIRLS,  one dude in drag.. etc..

ill take the manly girl on the right

OK (in deep voice)
HIIIII

kinda like jims best work below my imagination haha I love to create stuff, its why ive been asked to help with many o games in my life, just never been a lead :( hehe but ive been a co-writer and concept designer whoop and tester..  but yea like a bloke in the red door like below! hahah

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9pdX_D8eHY#]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9pdX_D8eHY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9pdX_D8eHY)[/url]
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 08:35:22 PM
The Red Door... Lol
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
Hey you made it!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 09:03:11 PM
hey how did you figure out step 5!!!

thats a hard one!!

someone tell ya or did you just put it together!!
either way GLAD YOU MADEEE IT !! join us for a drink im buyin!

hehee
virtually of course

huzzaaaaaaaaaaahh! hip hip

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 15, 2014, 09:10:56 PM
Heh! Good job - though I had to remove the picture from the thread; gotta keep some secrets!


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 15, 2014, 10:23:03 PM
yea but how did you piece together the final step is my question

just curious..

I get how you got the other stuff so far.
just you seemed to have problems with each step but the final (and pretty hard step)

:P
glad you made it though

and yea doesnt really matter what you do as long as you, be XX patient,
sneak there if ya want lol
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 15, 2014, 10:52:23 PM
You don't have to get 5 different ones in a row, you only have to do it once... We were just saying we don't have the solution for HH but we do have the other ones...

I know what HH is!  Or at least  I think I do; it appears that BT didn't change my suggested symbols for the other 5, so I believe I know #6... 'cause I created them all!   ;)

I tried to come up with a theme to unify these 'fantasy/rpg' symbols as I was developing them, and the notion of "How does Mr. Roehm handle confrontation?" suddenly came to me.

I based the confrontation styles on the four QFG classes (Fighter, Mage, Thief and the ever-popular "Hybrid" [Fighter + Magic / Thief + Magic] as well as a few others (Diplomacy / Dirtbag).  Then, I made silly names to go along with them like you would find in a Lori & Corey Cole game, as the Coles always liked using word-play, rhyming and alliteration in their games and manuals.

Then, all that was left was to design the password codes -- a sequence of symbols that might (somewhat) logically go with each particular confrontation style...   :D
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 15, 2014, 11:55:38 PM
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER! glad you figured it out but don't give it away for everyone!!!!!

Step 5 was actually the easiest for me for some reason... I think at this point we had been giving so many clues is wasn't too difficult for me to put together...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 16, 2014, 12:23:37 AM
hmm yea mate id remove that post!!

thats the answer right there, though it seems no many havent found it lol

but man a spoiler tab doesnt hide the spoiler..

as for the water, 1. you dont need to drink anything 2. you dont need to go anywhere just to the end place.. thats really it..
the hydrated part and bridges was a throw off in a way,
i assumed i needed to drink water each screen, and walk on each screen and bridge.. nope

no water or booze needed to find the bar..
atttt all


oh and goatmeal speaking of heroU  wonder how that will pan out!
one thing for sure they are taking a LOT of time on it!
so either they are busy on other stuff in RL land, or.. they are really putting loads of effort into heroU!!

and yea they do love that wordplay hehe
ahh those manuals .. i miss em, was hoping for something like that from QFI!
glad at least something close made it, even as an egg :P

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 16, 2014, 06:02:09 PM
When I saw that in my game it reminded me of an Alice in wonderland mad hatter tea party, of maybe KQ6
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 16, 2014, 08:42:25 PM
just reminded me of a classic kq scene

beautiful work for its low bit, i mean .. really friggen niceeeeeeee

yea its a nice lil egg there,
so many in this game!
wonder if the hint book will show all those lil tidbits

wish it said stuff like
gnoll voiced by bt!
lol

those infos are rockin

anyway forums seem kinda quiet
everyone found bt and seemed to vanish lol

helooo helloooo helloo
echoo echoo echoo

@echo off?
lol
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 16, 2014, 08:50:05 PM
Nothing left to do now, except wait for the update, lol....
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 16, 2014, 08:50:20 PM
We could start an Easter Egg thread...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 17, 2014, 06:10:40 AM
dude ok

stop


you want help pm people dont post the answers in a public thread its kinda upsetting a few people and not just me..
I wont speak for them but as for myself , you have posted 3 answers just right out now..
it hardly makes it a hunt

all I can say about your last 3 posts is..
1. erase them
2. as for the last post, you didnt wait long enough PERIOD.. now stop this nonsense please

this is a hunt not a give away

jebus I am now making myself look like the ahole, when you are kinda odd duck just shooting the exact answers out..

stop... really

you found it.. pm people if you want.. but again in public threads please.. please ..please stop posting anything to do with answers

and again we can tell you had help with the final steps as you still dont understand the symbol step

just 1 answer exists for anything in this hunt.. not 5..
sigh
feel free to pm.. just ahh

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 17, 2014, 08:45:07 AM
I tend to agree... If you are stuck, we can try to provide add'l clues, but please don't post the answers outright on the forum.

As stated by BT and the other devs, once the secret is out, it's out for good... I think it would be better to keep things a "hunt" still and not a giveaway...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 17, 2014, 11:58:23 AM
haha
ok
who changed his moniker to forever at the bottom of the totem pole! haha

bt?
lolol

he is not!!
btw.. I like being on bottom hehe

ahem (cough)

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Chadly on September 17, 2014, 11:59:38 AM
@nameless.  Look as others have posted, The BT fight/bar is the most Challenging Easter Egg i have ever encountered.  It took me months to find it and that was with hints NOT answers from this forum.  Don't  ruin the hunt for others.  Not to be a dick or start a flame war/trolling.  If you need the answer Pm people or wait for the Strat Guide to be released.  We are all friends here, period.  Anyway enjoy the game dude.
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 17, 2014, 12:02:49 PM
@nameless.  Look as others have posted, The BT fight/bar is the most Challenging Easter Egg i have ever encountered.  It took me months to find it and that was with hints NOT answers from this forum.  Don't be an Ahole and ruin the hunt for others.  Not to be a dick or start a flame war/trolling.  If you need the answer Pm people or wait for the Strat Guide to be released.  We are all friends here, period.  Anyway enjoy the game dude.

urmm might want to just erase that post mate, he gets it...
he isnt a bad dude, he even got a custom title out of the deal, odd enough

but no flaming back or trolling mate! just makes ya look bad chad :P
hurry and mod it yourself before bt or nameless sees that.. sheesh
just take the name calling stuff out keep the rest
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 17, 2014, 05:33:56 PM
Anyone find the reference to the bar in our SQ2? heheheh!


Also, any other phrases work in that book?  I know some that do... :)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 17, 2014, 06:05:40 PM
I need to play your SQ2...
I have it, just haven't gotten around to it yet...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 17, 2014, 06:05:59 PM
Hints on other phrases that work in the book? Please
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 17, 2014, 07:13:15 PM
Anyone find the reference to the bar in our SQ2? heheheh!


Also, any other phrases work in that book?  I know some that do... :)
you mean the one when you hang upside down from the vine?
or da otha one?
lol

i did see the LSL flashback hahah

and I know its easy to find in hex as the code wasnt as tight

love that remake,  still trying to get kq3 to work right with speech,
as I didnt get if from IA site, so its a bit wonky

hey why didnt ya guys add TASTE or listen etc to QFI lol

you lick the outhouse.. it tastes like you though it WOOD
or you lick the beautiful babes boo-sums and she promptly stabs you in the neck

lol

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 17, 2014, 07:14:24 PM
Hints on other phrases that work in the book? Please

told ya nate there were other book phrases ages ago lol

just none are for the bt hunt but yeaaaa

nope not found anything tried loads o stuffs

let us know if that will be in the hint book or something!
or was it backers only? or just devs?

etc
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 17, 2014, 07:15:58 PM
Question is, will they do something different when typed in?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 17, 2014, 10:20:34 PM
There are a couple other eggs with the book.  Not bt related.  Also, if you know how to access the bar in sq2, you may be able to use that info in qfi for a nice reward.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 17, 2014, 10:26:06 PM
Any clues on what to type in the book? Don't need exact answers per se, but a hint would be great!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on September 17, 2014, 10:34:54 PM
Hah.  I don't know what he's talking about.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 18, 2014, 06:32:14 AM
hug

suuuuree

animal vegetable or mineral?

lol

in game or out

staff infection related?
or character related

muhah

tried loads o shat in that book,
hmm maybe IA stuff would work

and still havent found that PIXEL hunt egg in the lib..
grr

:)
will all this info come out one day???

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on September 18, 2014, 07:38:02 AM
There are many eggs scattered throughout.  The reward isn't anywhere near the what the Bt search was.  Lots of little things here and there.  I think you guys should list what you have found in  a thread so we can know what you have or have not found.  As for the book, I honestly don't remember what the phrases were to type.  I would have to go back into the source to figure that out, but I remember there being more.  Like I said, nothing as rewarding as the Bt hunt though.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 18, 2014, 07:49:22 AM
eggies eggies me wants the eggsies

hey nate let us make a thread

anyone want to join in?

da crow one is kinda funny,

Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 18, 2014, 07:50:20 AM
I just noticed that Big Red has a right side wooden leg!

like.. the lady in the "lone ranger" movie, ivory leg with a gun??
or.. the wood in the pants lol

or both

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 18, 2014, 03:15:17 PM
hehe again I like being BEHIND. or on BOTTOM,   on top too  WINK

as for kissing butt vs kickin it, wwwweeeell

that depends, on the profession and the sex
women in most fields, just kiss ass  some do really kick it, but most,, kiss it..
or do other really bad things, but im in california land of the plastic barbie dolls sigh

Lala land.. sigh
ick,  love the beaches around la but really dont like la..

 :P

awww bt take my money already! lol
im trying to see what my bank does with it so i can get coffee and shadow of mordor :P
dont want the darned overdraft fee

should be ok I have 438 in my bank but who knows with delay on stuff I and my credit union cant see!

lol
hate my credit union only 5 exist in the world and 3 are in yuba city ca  bleh

EDIT:
nameless id take bottom of the totem over SENIOR VILLAIN, makes me sound like im a retired evil genius in an old folks home for bad guys. hehe



Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on September 18, 2014, 07:13:11 PM
Bottom of the Totem? ha ha That's not so bad! Reminds me of an old business saying:

To climb the corporate ladder, without leaving your integrity behind, you must reach the pinnacle of your profession by kicking butt, not kissing it!

I heard one similar:

The toes you step on going up the ladder will be attached to the butts you'll kiss on the way back down.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 18, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
sigh again pm but shhh

the key is being given away

and still have an issue in thinking you found it the first time without help buuut
that said...

I did have an issue and here is a way around it

pm me...

lol

but to put that aside
use the IN GAME CLOCK i has one.. in the HELP MENU .. says TIME PLAYED

when you restore the game, it doesnt always make the same time.. so you lose a few min here and there keep that in mind and keep that clock up to par with whatever..


all the ladders n kissing butt makes me think of heaths last movie..
the scene where all the ladders to success are forever high into the sky and his breaks and he uses em as stilts

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2009/12/imaginarium_1a.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 18, 2014, 11:49:40 PM
The moderators put me down here for a reason: someone was needed to hold everyone up  8)

Something I don't think happened before: meeting Kayanna beyone the sleeping trees, the last option was to flirt with her. She gave Roehm a big full smooch!

very very awesome attitude!
and so true, without the bottom, who is to hold up the entire structure.. thats right the bottom foundation!

hooah

yea we all kinda wish there were romance options..
buuut again, an infamous warrior sleeps alone, haha
(spits on hand)
*what you doing up there rohem
*urm  nothing just chopping wood...

gulp
to far?
ooooohk

lol
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 18, 2014, 11:58:43 PM
You consider flogging the flagon...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: miriya on September 19, 2014, 12:00:11 AM
Also, any other phrases work in that book?  I know some that do... :)

I'm curious, but I'm definitely going to need some hints...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: natewolfe on September 19, 2014, 12:00:28 AM
Me too
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 19, 2014, 12:57:56 AM
heya mirrrryaaa

as for the book, who was it that leaked that info early on

grrr
cant find it now

saying there was more than one thing to enter

my guess? its stuff from IA maybe even devs names or fun stuff like books who knowssss

yaya
hope all those eggs DO come out eventually

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 19, 2014, 12:59:08 AM
You consider flogging the flagon...

haha yeaaa

which implied to me that you could do it!
but never found a spot even after getting hot n bothered from the maid at the inn i cant even go in my own room and flog it ..wtf! noooooooooooo

haha
after a few clicks it should say..
what is this an LSL game keep your dagger in your pants!

or something
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 19, 2014, 10:02:21 PM
sigh

no offense this is what made me think you didnt find it the first time on your own but meh

again.. yea when you load some of the in game clock time rewinds, as ive noticed..

soo u go by that and its fine.
again to many hints, ive been able to get in the bar 4 times now..
no issues..
shrug

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 21, 2014, 12:44:59 AM
there are a few flaws in it mate

again, restoring and such often makes the clock go back for me

but again u can still use it.. just count ... sigh..
still not found it again?'
oh and btw those few seconds, wont make one miss bt, (if its on the fastest, you still go by that in game play or the other way around and use a digi timer, but now IM saying to much sigh
maybe the highest speedbut I played on everytime with no issue but i just tested it again..and the clock wasnt that far off.. only when restoring many times does it go a bit wonky


Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Broomie on September 21, 2014, 05:28:41 AM
It was disabled at one point but I've re-enabled the PM attachment functionality. As long as you compress the save game file into a ZIP or RAR you can send attachments to each other.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 21, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
urmm

no offense, but quad, or dual or 8 core wont speed clocks up

i have an 8 core cpu, and IVE TESTED THIS on my newer 16 core cpu!
no diff whatso ever

just ahh stop with the hints unless everyone has found it..
and again, seems to point that one never did find it who keep asking how to.. on the 2nd time...
sigh

just do this .. look at the clock in game, save ... play a bit anywhere, and reload, your clock wont read the same time as when you saved etc.. nor proper time gone by 
not a cpu, nothing to do with that

just ahh please stop hinting at that last step,

know you have a little buffer and if you still cant get it, you arent being patient.

if u get that message .. still.. be more patient..

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: garr on September 30, 2014, 03:18:10 PM
Great to hear the patch is coming along just great. Something I think I mentioned before about the mines: when entering a room from the east side to a small wood scaffolding, when continuing to the west exit, Roehm does a complete turn around before continuing west. This is slightly inconvenient if there's an enemy in the room, due to your extra time in the room.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 30, 2014, 05:28:08 PM
...

oops that was a pm mean for garr not a post my bad! ack

must . have .. starbucks

"innnnnnpuuutttt mooooree innnputtt" number five is allliiive ...
urmm ahem
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Chadly on September 30, 2014, 05:49:04 PM
lol.  Coffee is good! Panera Bread coffee better than Starbucks and cheaper.   ;D

Short Circuit is cool!!!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 30, 2014, 06:05:01 PM
i dont have a coffee maker,
once i get one the world is over..

and ill be putting the espresso machine in my wall with a tube out so i can drink it hot from bed

press another button for milk, oh yea.. another for soda.. or juice... yep lick-able wall paper! ahem oops

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Chadly on September 30, 2014, 06:16:53 PM
Lickable wal-paper what a novel and delcious idea!  Yummy. :D   Hell in the future we will all have those machines like in that Bruce Willis movie call Surugant.  Wont ever leave the house just stay connected all the time amd the world will know peace at last!!!!.......Wishfull thinking on my part. ;D
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 30, 2014, 06:59:50 PM
you know HR giger, creator of alien painted picture long before the net existed, showing people jacked into a cafe, dying of hunger and thirst as they lived in their own virtual world

he knew to much for his era,

and anyone that can dream up ALIEN in a DREAM really... im afraid of

he also used to have 2 bars, all alien decor and like dead babies at the bar.. just odd stuff
ill try to find that painting and link it later

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: garr on September 30, 2014, 07:27:22 PM
Dark Seed forever :o
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Chadly on September 30, 2014, 07:34:42 PM
There is a book by Dean Koontz that follows these ideas called Demon Seed.  Not a bad book imo.  Also more current is the whole Matrix trilogy.  Within 10 years we will have computers that we talk too like in Star Trek, etc.  Hell we already do if you count Siri and Google talk. lol ???
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 30, 2014, 08:13:28 PM
urmm we already have that

and with comcast i see in about 10-20 years

you walk in your home and it says
HELLO KALDIRE we have your dinner in the oven, 
tv turns on*  and here is a program we think you would like based on what you watch!
your heart rate is high, would u like a Valium ?
grandpa with a heart problem, we noticed his heartrate is up and stroke is possible  contacting emergency department!

etc

well i do know he added this art into DARKSEED the game (which i recommend darkseed 1 over 2)

http://geeksout.org/sites/default/files/event-images/darkseed-11.png (http://geeksout.org/sites/default/files/event-images/darkseed-11.png)

if you look close you can see people in beds and on floors jacked in dying this is a real painting too.. just he put loads of his real art in that game  wicked art in guitar! whoop
(http://i.imgur.com/pUcyR.jpg)
http://geeksout.org/sites/default/files/event-images/darkseed-11.png (http://geeksout.org/sites/default/files/event-images/darkseed-11.png)

soon also the 3d rooms will exist (they already do but not cost effective)
where you have globes around the house like cameras only they project,
so you can be like sitting in a room with some hobbits and when you look at someone they might look like bilbo, and you might look like gandalf, go into another room and talk to roger rabbit
etc
changing the look of the house and people in it (not real just.. projections)

already in the works..

as for the matrix thats NEW vs giger, his painting (which i cant find is around 1972 and it has 10 people jacked into ports in the mouth and .. ahem private parts .. he is pretty sexual with his art at times)
again this was what the matrix creators claim they got the idea for jacking into the matrix from and credited hr giger..

his art.. fantastic..
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on September 30, 2014, 08:28:05 PM
oh btw HR GIGER died may of this year at age 74 :(

was looking forward to meeting him soon too.. last year i planned on going to an exibit he was going to hold
but never made it.. as he was sick and well I hate flying

meniers disease sucks :(  (its what I have)

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9ni%C3%A8re%27s_disease]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9ni%C3%A8re%27s_disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9ni%C3%A8re%27s_disease)[/url]

really.. really not fun most days
constant ringing .. vertigo, pressure, numbness, oh the joy..
only getting worse as i get older..

rip HR GIGER
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: garr on October 01, 2014, 10:27:50 AM
Ringing, me too, but with a twist:
When my bp low part is a bit high, the ringing is much quieter.
When the low part is low, the ringing is louder. I've got a built in bp monitor.

I found out that red meat and deep fried foods (restaurants rarely change the oil,
furnishing customers with tons of triglycerides) played hell on my bp, cholesterol,
abdominal bagel, the round fatty thing with a hole in it, at least that's what came
to mind, swelling of the ankles, etc.
The more one enjoys life, the more complications result.
If I didn't stay active with lots of walking, jogging/running, outside work, I'd be
an absolute basket case.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on October 01, 2014, 10:41:07 AM
yea the ringing aka tinnitus  TIN IT US in uk OR in UK TIN ITE US usa
mostly caused by damage to the inner ear from ipods with no noise cap, and concerts where i used to tour lots and kids go.. ear plugs are for pussies..

ok kid!

anyway.. mine is nothing to do with that :(

I have 2 nerves that are twisted around the main vein in my brain (kids insane got no brain) ahem whoops

anyway they/ kaiser wants to do MVD surgery on my brain but im not old enough to say yes to that at this point

but I cant even drive up a mountain or down, or fly, or hell, anything like elevators
sometimes nothing happens .. once i headed down what we in cali call the GRAPEVINE, just south of LA.. and had to pull over in Gorman (top of the mountain) for 3 hours until my vertigo was ok after taking motion sickness pills

some days... just terrible,
others not

doc said same thing tho.. cut the caffeine steven!!
im taking donations on how kal can cut his caffeine .. i need handcuffs .. and urmm
yea lol jk
no full mooon or im like jack n in that wolf movie,, GIVE ME STARBUCKS

anyway garr my sympathy..
but if i had to pick.. it take the ringing over the vertigo.. i cant even move or go potty when I have it..
and sometimes it lasts months.. in bed.. just ahh

so the pressure systems here in the valley of sac suck, if you see fog or about to rain but no rain, you can bet ole kal here is in hell :(

shrug

tons of treatments just none in usa as we suck..
need to move to the uk for most treatment or australia has a few things with dna of birds for regen the hairs in the inner ear (its the only species that does so)
yea my bioinformatics degree kicking in there! whoop

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on January 26, 2015, 08:35:08 PM
Back in mid-September, I started a run-through with the intention of finding the IQ Virtual Bar.  However, after playing 3 successive runs in August (once for each class), I didn't get very far on attempt #4 -- I only played a day or two, and needed a break!

I finally picked it up again this past weekend... and I FOUND it!  (I can attach a pixelated -- scratch that -- an even MORE pixelated screenshot, if permitted.)

Time to add "Goatmeal" to the "I found the IQ Virtual Bar and all I got was my name on this lousy plaque!" plaque in Version 1.1!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on January 26, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
Goatmeal!  I got your email; I'm sorry I didn't get back yet.  My wife was in the hospital for the past few days unexpectedly, so I was in and out of answer emails and phone calls.  Yep!  You're in too!


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Lambonius on January 26, 2015, 08:52:12 PM
I'm glad it was you, Goatmeal.  ;)
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on January 26, 2015, 09:20:09 PM
Thanks, BT & Lamb!

BTW: The location upon exiting said "Virtual Bar" was genius!   ;D
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on January 26, 2015, 09:21:46 PM
Goatmeal!  I got your email; I'm sorry I didn't get back yet.  My wife was in the hospital for the past few days unexpectedly, so I was in and out of answer emails and phone calls.  Yep!  You're in too!

Coolness; I hope everything was OK with the Missus...
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 14, 2015, 07:21:33 PM
hehe yea if it exits the same place as 1.0  haha yea

any hints on this bar without giving it away?
wasnt it supposed to be easier to find?

is it miss-able?
Spoiler (hover to show)
is it a step thing ? like 1.0?
more than one way to get into it?

Spoiler (hover to show)

anyway im still reporting bugs lots to fix but nothing game breaking
much love!

and grats on finding the bar in 1.1!
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on March 14, 2015, 08:51:31 PM
and grats on finding the bar in 1.1!

Actually, I only found it in 1.0, not 1.1...   :-[
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 14, 2015, 11:58:36 PM
oh oh my bad well grats then!
that was an sob!

hehe
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 25, 2015, 07:45:14 AM
This thread sure is long.

In another recent thread I said the screen darkens several minutes before you're supposed to wiz at the end of allotted time. Actually the skeleton head icon also appears (strange).

Something else I'm wondering about'
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Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on March 25, 2015, 08:09:40 AM
Something else I'm wondering about'
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Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 25, 2015, 09:11:28 AM
Ok! I've saved at a minute to go, restored and tried at five second intervals up to and well after a minute on each restore. Still nothing.

What I can't figure is how garr found it so early after joining the forum. Somewhere way back in the posts he said he thought it was necessary to keep finding the book and typing in each new code. After saving, he only had to restore a time or two to enter the bar.

Maybe each type in was scattered over several seconds in the game's registry and it was only a matter of tries before landing on the correct time.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on March 25, 2015, 09:37:37 AM
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Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 25, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
Yes, doing all five steps as required. But, if something is different in 1.1, it's just not going to be as expected. Seems to me if everything is done correctly, you should find the bar every time with a minimum of effort.

In 1.0, it was mentioned that you could go across the canoe hut bridge and head north, skipping the bar (or the two known bars) and second bridge.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on March 25, 2015, 10:23:28 AM
Yes, doing all five steps as required. But, if something is different in 1.1, it's just not going to be as expected. Seems to me if everything is done correctly, you should find the bar every time with a minimum of effort.

In 1.0, it was mentioned that you could go across the canoe hut bridge and head north, skipping the bar (or the two known bars) and second bridge.

That's the way I did it for 1.0 -- run/walk across bridge at the fisherman's shed, then up to the north.  I didn't dare try using the map, for fear that would mess up the "timing" aspect...

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Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 25, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
its been pointed out by a few people now that the book step, sometimes doesnt work,
so ill try there again

and yes, of course watching the intro always, its just funny and ties in with kinda the end and whole reason for rohem being there :)

so i watch it always just for giggles..
i sooo wish rohem woulda screamed like a girl in that scene but that would be antithetic to his nature id think, maybe not,

Eeeeeeeeeek
like a woman caught naked by a man or dad, only its rohem hehe

eeeek!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 25, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
I too have a quad core and 3.5 gig processor. Tried everything. Even though I saved at 1 minute, restored and tried at 5 second intervals each time plus/minus from the 1 minute restore point. Who was it said that BT changed some things for the secret bar access in 1.1?

Right after I burned moonshiner, headed to library instead of going to Rayford, and saved before even trying the book.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on March 25, 2015, 11:39:16 AM
Nothing's been changed in 1.1 for the bar; I did add a couple places where you could find some hints on the process, but nothing else has been changed.


Bt
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 25, 2015, 11:47:06 AM
well mate a few of us have issues with the tyr book not taking the command

ive tried about 20 times now,
ill be tryin again later

ty
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 25, 2015, 12:01:35 PM
well i tried this

i reloaded outside the library as nameless even had to do
then i just reloaded as the book seems to have some issues,
about 12th time in, the book worked, no missed steps

odd...
onto the bar, but no clue why the book is being picky, or odd.

just a heads up there,
nameless you sure you found the bar last time, it wasnt garr only who found it early, lol
and its just a matter of a timer really, least thats what another user and i did in the end.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 25, 2015, 01:14:43 PM
 ???  ???  ???  ???  ???

I'm frikin dyin here. I just can't do it. I think something should be done about the timing issue. So, some information hints about the process has been added.
Oh, please don't have it where everyone has to find those hints (in game?) in order for it all to work.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 25, 2015, 02:57:25 PM
Kaldire, I'm interested in trying your save outside the library, assuming you didn't previously try typing in anything. Probably won't find the bar but at least can find out why you can't do the book.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 25, 2015, 05:30:59 PM
Nothing's been changed in 1.1 for the bar; I did add a couple places where you could find some hints on the process, but nothing else has been changed.


Bt
Is it necessary to find these hints in order for the virtual bar to be accessed?
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Blackthorne on March 25, 2015, 06:57:03 PM
Nothing's been changed in 1.1 for the bar; I did add a couple places where you could find some hints on the process, but nothing else has been changed.


Bt
Is it necessary to find these hints in order for the virtual bar to be accessed?

Nope. They're just there to point the way.

Bt
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 25, 2015, 08:17:28 PM
???  ???  ???  ???  ???

I'm frikin dyin here. I just can't do it. I think something should be done about the timing issue. So, some information hints about the process has been added.
Oh, please don't have it where everyone has to find those hints (in game?) in order for it all to work.
wait , so you get all the way to the last step but ... cant get in the bar??

thats strange!
get a timer out and set it for....
well you should know :)

watch,  google alarm clock  windows clock annnything, try that..
btw i found one such .. hint but id more call it a subtle suggestion, if one didint know better it would just be seen as potentially a joke they just dont understand.. lol

again nameless if you are that far into it.. you made it truly..
point of patience.. chuklas i believe gave even more hints to the exact nature of the waiting game,
ooo if only an anouncer would pop up around XV and say ohhh really have to go pee eh rohem well just go.. that carpet looks like a nice spot...

then people would pee and miss out as its to early lol
ahem but i like messing with people.

UBERMOSHhhhhh
oops ;)
drugglejug?

trooggdoorrr

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 25, 2015, 08:38:22 PM
I found out the faster a computer, the slower the game has to be set to equal out both time frames. What I think is entirely unfair, the game recognizes real time, yet game speed throws everything off. I use a stopwatch. Heck, since everyone knows the five steps, it wouldn't be against the grain to just give the window of opportunity a really wide birth, or just get rid of the XX and devise something different. I wonder who has a computer that's just the right speed?

>
I seen way back in this thread that goatmeal got into the virtual bar in 1.1. It seems he's the only one successful.

The strange thing in my situation, after typing in the book code, with default game speed setting, at about 17 minutes, a skull icon appears for a couple of seconds. When I first purchased 1.1 from IQ, I had trouble with the crypt until the bug was fixed. Could it be that my copy still has issues with the virtual bar?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 25, 2015, 11:24:18 PM
far to many spoilers there mate

but goatmeal did say he didnt find the bar in 1.1 though im sure now he can
and yes I indeed found it, just after saving before the library as you said too

seems an odd trigger

as for the game speed, urmm, yes its always done this with every ags/sierra game even. anything with speed will increase real time IN game,
soo
that should be a known fact,
just set to middle as stated by goatmeal, and its XX
on the nose,
from the second you close to walking to standing anywhere really,

but yep yep i got into the new bar, just odd is all how the book thing went off and didnt react to the input given about 20 times i tried :P

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 25, 2015, 11:39:03 PM
It appears that the default game speed is half way. Just redid everything up till saving outside the library. will continue on tomorrow and see.
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on March 26, 2015, 12:25:10 AM
I seen way back in this thread that goatmeal got into the virtual bar in 1.1. It seems he's the only one successful.


Er, no.  Kaldire's right; I have only found it in version 1.0 -- haven't had a chance to play version 1.1 yet...

Here's hoping you get it tomorrow!
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 26, 2015, 02:10:14 PM
Still no luck. While waiting, that blasted skeleton head cursor briefly appears at about 16 minutes. This is after starting a new game and doing all steps. Some things I did not do in order to save time:
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So, I can almost say that I'm one of the very few that cannot access the place in question. This further strengthens my status of being at the bottom of the totem. Anyone care to try my save outside the Library? Zip or Rar
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 26, 2015, 02:15:44 PM
nah nah thats not what the bottom of the totem means hehe

but do you get the, "oh soo close" comment when doing the last step?

if to much time passes, it does make no comment, just sorta same as prologue

I did the same as you only i took the job from prospero just didnt finish or do it
you got past the book so you did all that correctly

let me know if you get that ohhh so close comment on the last step

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 26, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Yes. Wish I could smack Roehm for saying that. So, if I keep going I'm bound to hit the sweet spot? What if I wait long enough till getting no response, then working backwards?

Getting the 'so close yet so far away' at 3 minutes beyond 18 minute save. So, I'll up it some more....

OK!!! At 4 minutes beyond my 18 minute save. This is at the default speed setting which is near half way. Which brings to mind one of the clues "Be Patient" Strange, only Blackthorne's voice has sound.

Final note, each reload increases the time I have to wait. After first bar, the next wait at same time fails. The next after that, had to wait an extra minute. So it appears each attempt wait time increases by 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 26, 2015, 07:13:51 PM
to be safe, keep a save before the book

then a few after

but try to stop naming times etc, lol
be patient, yes if you see rohem saying that, you still have a shot, if he says noting, you waited TOO long,
and yes reloading can miff up stuff a bit, that i and another few tested, so just try, its not to much in terms of time when reloads happen etc, a few seconds here and there.

but if you are that far, you shoulda made it, makes me still wonder how you found the bar last time :)
but again you are RIGHT THERE!

but try spoiler free time posts etc, lol be patient, XX patient, then relief you will say AHH
lol

i still have all the old bt hunt stuff in txt format but in excel per steps hehe

i did note that the prospero mission seemed to have no effect when taking or completing it. but it takes time vs the bar hunt,
idk though just wait, and if the message vanishes, reload its been tooo long :)
on my timer it was almost exact XX
almost..
that included time from input the code (closing the book) and walking to the destination
and standing there..

gl!
see yas in the bar.

Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 27, 2015, 08:42:21 AM
Yes. Wish I could smack Roehm for saying that. So, if I keep going I'm bound to hit the sweet spot? What if I wait long enough till getting no response, then working backwards?

Getting the 'so close yet so far away' at 3 minutes beyond 18 minute save. So, I'll up it some more....

OK!!! At 4 minutes beyond my 18 minute save. This is at the default speed setting which is near half way. Which brings to mind one of the clues "Be Patient" Strange, only Blackthorne's voice has sound.

Final note, each reload increases the time I have to wait. After first bar, the next wait at same time fails. The next after that, had to wait an extra minute. So it appears each attempt wait time increases by 30 seconds.
By saying OK!! I meant that I finally got into the bar by simply waiting longer at each attempt. I've since played another character and was successful again. I'm presently on the third character and am confident to find the bar yet again.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 27, 2015, 10:27:12 AM
hoooah brutha man
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Bad2DaBone on March 27, 2015, 01:13:35 PM
Damn, we got 26 pages.

So did we ever figure out how to fight this secret boss?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 27, 2015, 01:22:50 PM
secret boss? you mean bt?
yea he is easyyyyyy

no problems
lol

was there another secret boss?
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Bad2DaBone on March 27, 2015, 03:27:18 PM
secret boss? you mean bt?
yea he is easyyyyyy

no problems
lol

was there another secret boss?

Are there any points in the game where it becomes impossible to find him, or can you always access the boss?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on March 27, 2015, 03:45:15 PM
Are there any points in the game where it becomes impossible to find him, or can you always access the boss?

Once you access the special "area," you can challenge BT to a fight as long as you remain there.

However, once you leave the special "area," you cannot return to it again during the same game; I believe it's a one-time deal to access it.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Bad2DaBone on March 27, 2015, 05:24:59 PM
Alright, that's good to hear.  I just don't wanna be told I'm screwed cause i missed some flaming bush thing in the second chapter.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 27, 2015, 06:08:26 PM
urmm

you missed a step? its not the bush..
and yea once u leave the bar you must either restore in the bar (i saved in the bar)
or restart

but if you didnt do step 2 or 3, steps 4 and 5 will never happen.

Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 27, 2015, 07:43:35 PM
I have a 3.4 gig processor quad core.

At the games default speed setting, I just let time count down and after 24 minutes at the wiz place, I do it and there's the bar.

Here's an easter egg.

While playing as a Rogue, in the Tyr finale, choose to teleport there and you arrive near the slaver balcony. After killing the two guards and robbing them, clicking on the right hand corpse Roehm does a dance. Each additional time you click on the left hand corpse, you get blys and healing potion every time!
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Bad2DaBone on March 27, 2015, 08:43:11 PM
urmm

you missed a step? its not the bush..
and yea once u leave the bar you must either restore in the bar (i saved in the bar)
or restart

but if you didnt do step 2 or 3, steps 4 and 5 will never happen.

Is the bar a secret location?  Or the main bar?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 27, 2015, 08:54:32 PM
Sort of a virtual place, with characters from this site.

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Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 28, 2015, 09:08:06 AM
@Bad2DaBone (http://www.infamous-quests.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=219)  there is
1 bar in tyr dockside
1 tavern in volksville

1 secret location IQ bar, with many special guests
/me waves at serena
:)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 28, 2015, 10:09:19 PM
Is there a use for roehm.dat?
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on March 29, 2015, 04:31:09 AM
lol digress much?
I do it to no worries

i asked the same thing lol but not in a forum post, esp not on the bt hunt part lol
but id just save 3 files one for each class but not sure what the dat is meant to be for since even the next game wont be like qfi
maybe way down the road idk
Title: Re: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: chucklas on March 29, 2015, 08:54:09 AM
Is there a use for roehm.dat?

It gets created to import your character and stats into a possible sequel if we are able to make one.  :)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on March 29, 2015, 09:22:32 AM
Well, heck! If that were to happen, I'd just buzz through another character for the file. And as Baron Roehm, what debauchery might there be  ;)

>

Of the three characters, all do the slaver quest, and all three can do the mine quest, and morroi leader quest.
The Brigand has an extra quest besides the caravan heist.
The Rogue has a quest from Mr. Red.
The Sorcerer doesn't appear to have a second quest, other than collecting spell ingredients. Am I missing something?

>
Decided to screw around with the game;

Before saving outside the library, I set game speed on the highest.
Did the book, went outside and teleported to destination.
Eventually found out the virtual bar appears at 15 minutes  :-X

>
I thought that way before 1.1 was finished, either Bt or Klytos mentioned that maybe Hybrid's Harangue would have a five letter code in 1.1, or am I confused about that?

Update on H.H.
Yes there is a code, but cheating doesn't create bravery  ;)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Lurker37 on June 17, 2015, 04:29:49 AM
Got the game a few days ago. Will not wait so long to get the next one!  :)

I can confirm that the Bar can be reached in 1.1, and the boss can be killed.

However, there seems to be a problem with looking around the Bar and talking to everyone. I had the game crash three times while I was in there. The error message said something about an AGS error and a problem with scripting. (I'm playing the Steam version.)

Also, half the conversations either have no voice or only have voice for part of the conversation.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: nameless on June 17, 2015, 09:09:26 AM
I have played the 1.1 download from Infamous Quests and also experienced the crash after talking in the bar, but not always with the same character. Seems to be mostly with the characters on the right side of the screen.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on June 17, 2015, 09:13:04 AM
Got the game a few days ago. Will not wait so long to get the next one!  :)

I can confirm that the Bar can be reached in 1.1, and the boss can be killed.

However, there seems to be a problem with looking around the Bar and talking to everyone. I had the game crash three times while I was in there. The error message said something about an AGS error and a problem with scripting. (I'm playing the Steam version.)

Also, half the conversations either have no voice or only have voice for part of the conversation.

Ah, just like version 1.0, then.   ;D
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on June 17, 2015, 06:15:36 PM
yep yep just like 1.0 :)
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: daylen on July 29, 2015, 02:03:08 AM
Hello

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Thanks
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Goatmeal on July 29, 2015, 08:51:17 AM
Hi!

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Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on July 29, 2015, 06:04:06 PM
yep yep

SEARCH

the answer is closer than you think
Title: Re: Revisiting the five steps to BT
Post by: Kaldire on July 30, 2015, 12:21:33 AM
did ye figure it out matey?